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Offline Sleeping

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #75 on: March 23, 2011, 08:35:57 PM »
Your recommendations pez?
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Offline Pez

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #76 on: March 23, 2011, 09:08:55 PM »
For your GTO PCM? I would get an aftermarket temp switch, and use it to control your low speed, then use let the PCM trigger the high speed.  Wire it up like the 2 relay diagram in this thread.
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Offline Infidel

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #77 on: June 01, 2011, 12:26:04 AM »
I'm bumping this for 4 reasons.
1. cause it's awesome, and helps noobs out a lot.

2. from what i understand the gto pcm can have a low fan added to the pcm as an auxiliary fan and the temp is also chosen. this is done during the tune of the pcm and is wired to pcm blue connector pin 42. this is the way i'm going so i can wire it the same way a camaro/firebird pcm would be.

3. what gauge wiring are people running as your power wires for the fan 10ga? 8ga?

4. if anyone is interested you can buy a new Taurus fan through amazon for about $92 shipped/2 day shipping with a free trial to amazon prime. just make sure to shut off the auto upgrade of amazon prime  or you'll be charged $80 this is important! Mine looked pretty good, have yet to try it though.
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Offline Jarhead Steve

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #78 on: January 23, 2013, 09:11:01 PM »
Info on Ford Fans:

This page is intended to clear up some misconceptions of the Taurus and Mark VIII fan and relay requirements. Since the launch of our new Taurus Mark VIII Relay kit I have been ask numerous times if the 60 amp relays are high enough amperage, if the wire gage is heavy enough. Will a 50 amp fuse work without blowing. I'll try to shed some light on this subject.  Let’s start with the Taurus fan.

There are about a dozen Taurus fan versions for the Taurus/Sable and over the years Ford and the aftermarket have made changes to lower cost and increase durability. This label of Taurus that covers maybe 10 different versions leads to most of the confusion about the fan. Some of the Taurus/Sable fans use the Lincoln motor but most do not and no Taurus/Sable fans use a Mark VIII motor. If you want to find out what motor you have find the RF number like RF24, RF123, RF64 and so on or get the part number, something like F7LZ8C607 AA then look it up on Rock Auto.

With that said the Lincoln and Taurus/Sable fans are not the only high CFM fans Ford made, mine is from a 95 Cougar RX7 which is a RF24. It’s a cross between the Lincoln Mark VIII and a Taurus. It has the Mark VIII blades and a motor more like a Taurus/Sable fan.

The RF125 fan fits Taurus, Sable, and Lincoln Continental. So in that respect a Lincoln motor is used in a Taurus fan but it’s not a Lincoln Mark VIII motor. On a RF123 which is the true Lincoln Mark VIII fan the fan motor only fits this fan from 93-96 and does not fit any Taurus/Sable/Continental housings.

Fan Amps:
The Mark VIII is a bigger motor and draws more amps but I have yet to see anything above 45 amps even on an old fan when it’s running. It does have a momentary spike but again I have yet to see the 100 amps I hear about.
Our testing showed the Mark VIII fan ran 26-28 amps on low, with a 37-40 amp startup spike. On high it had a draw of about 32-35 amps with a 48-53 amp startup spike. This is tested with our relay kit wired with the step through configuration and a new fan. A startup from dead stop to high speed will draw higher amps.
The Taurus fan ran 24-26 amps on low, with a 32 amp startup spike
Then on high it used about 28-29 amps with a 40-45 amp startup spike. Again wired with our relay kit and a new fan.

Wire:
The wire gage is important with these high amp draw accessories so I will explain as best I can on what gage can handle what amps over what distance. For the Cobra Kit, which has the longest wires, the wire is an SXL grade automotive wire. SXL refers to the insulation which is cross linked polyethylene insulation capable of up to a constant 257 degrees. It also does not burn like GPT or lower grade automotive primary wire. You can hold a match to SXL and it may char but it won't burn and drip off like the other grades.

Most all the wire lengths for the Cobra kit are less than 5 feet. The sensor wire are longer but are be cut to fit and end up much shorter than the 10 feet supplied with the kit.

The #10 battery wire to the fuse is 24" and from fuse to relay block is up to 5 feet, which is just at the 2% drop limit at 12V 50 amps, but remember we are under 30 amps with this fan. So if your charging system is working as it should 13.4 -14.4 you would drop .25 volts over 5 feet. This wire is also cut to fit so the drop may be less.

The #12 fan wires are 5 feet long which is within the max length at 40 amps, but again we are at 30 amp with this fan. The Taurus/Sable fan runs on high at 30 amps. We can run 50 amps over a 12 gage wire for 10 feet and we are well under that limit.

The #14 Sensor wires carry about 7 amps max so there is no issue there even at 10 feet.

Relays:
The Beuler relays are 60 amp relays with AGSNO contacts and Negative Spike Suppression. They can handle a spike load of 150 amps and since the Taurus/Sable fan only uses 40 at startup there is no issue with the relay loads.

Fuse:
The 50 amp fuse is a slow blow type fuse so it can take surges of the Mark VIII fan and not pop. It will pop on a dead short just like any other fuse. 50 amps is about 10% above the max load of the Taurus/Sable fan so it’s not an issue either.

Fans:
As I said before there are a lot of different fans for Taurus/Sable, Lincoln and other Ford cars. Trying to track down the various versions can be a task in itself. They have a 2 speed, a fixed speed and a variable speed fan

Fan Specs:

RF24
Thunderbird LX and a Cougar RX7 94-97 the motor in this fan only fits this fan no other models it has 3 terminals and is a 2 speed fan with low being 1350 RPM and high being 1780 RPM. The CFM is unknown. It measures 18.5 x 24 x 5.5 deep. The Ford part number was F4SH8C607AA it is now F4SZ8C607D.

RF64
93-96 Lincoln Mark VIII F3LY8C607A
93-96 fan spins 1100 RPM on Low and 1850 on High.

97's Lincoln Mark VIII F7LZ8C607AB
98's Lincoln Mark VIII F8LZ8C607AA, This one crosses back as a replacement for the F8LH8C607AA so it may be a single speed.
97-98 fan spins 1800 RPM on Low and 2225 on High.

F8LH8C607AA single/variable speed

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Offline SuperSlow

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #79 on: April 08, 2019, 07:47:26 PM »
So my car has been popping/melting 40 amp fuses for quite some time now. Only does it in the heat, night and winter driving is always fine. It also killed a 40 amp amazon switchable circuit breaker today after tripping it once.

My fan is old, should I try replacing the motor?

Offline Exidous

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #80 on: April 08, 2019, 08:31:10 PM »
A wearing relay will create more heat and pull more current.

That being said, 40A is cutting it really close for the Taurus fan. I ran a 60A and same fuse and never had issues for years.
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Offline shainiac

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #81 on: April 09, 2019, 08:41:25 AM »
I had good luck running a Taurus fan with a 75A Tyco relay similar to the one below. I've melted multiple Bosch-style 30/40A relays before that.
You could also try running an SSR or find a robust OEM fan controller if your ECU has the capabilities to PWM a fan output. You greatly reduce inrush and the overall current will likely be lower since you can run it say 75% capacity all the time rather than 100% capacity and switching on/off regularly.

My current setup is a Ford Contour dual fan setup and 2x Dorman 902-310 SSRs  ($38 on Amazon) . I've only benchtested them, but it's nice to be able to slowly ramp up fan speed with engine temp rather than have them kick on/off and change the load on the engine.




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Offline digitalsolo

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #82 on: April 09, 2019, 11:48:44 AM »
Replacing the motor isn't a terrible idea, also.  FWIW.
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Offline Exidous

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #83 on: April 09, 2019, 06:12:45 PM »
Unless you run a massive heatsink you have to get a HUGE SSR($$$$) to handle that current. I'm using a 40A SSR without a heatsink and I only have 5 or so Amps of headroom on my 10-15A fuel pump.

I'd start with a new motor and 60A min relay first before I went too crazy.
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Offline freeskier7791

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #84 on: April 09, 2019, 10:05:43 PM »
If you want to change fans the Spal high performance are good and their motors only draw 30 amps

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Offline SuperSlow

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #85 on: April 12, 2019, 11:39:31 PM »
I really appreciate all the input y'all, this is turning into quite the headache...

It's been 7 or 8 years since I built my cooling setup and I cannot find the motor to replace the one I have. Plug is completely different from anything I have found. Anyone know what year/ model this is from?



Fan/ shroud looks like a '95 taurus fan but the wiring plug is different.

I'm debating on going with an aftermarket setup that is thinner or fixing what I have. Eventually I'll have to go aftermarket anyway to fit a bigger turbo.

Offline SuperSlow

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #86 on: April 12, 2019, 11:46:39 PM »
Also, when I unplugged the fan I found the ground to be pushed in slightly. The clasp that keeps it from backing out was missing and the clasp for the wire that is pushed out in the pic was there but had been melted where it attached. Could be my problem but I dont want to fuck around and waste money.

Offline freeskier7791

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #87 on: April 13, 2019, 06:49:22 AM »
Those are definitely ford plugs, could be a lincoln mark 8, all those plugs need to be intact to get a good connection.

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Offline Exidous

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #88 on: April 14, 2019, 12:17:30 AM »
I'd replace them. I bought the parts from mouser. Using molex and Delphi stuff.

Apparently Delphi has been rebranded. Wonder why.
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Offline SuperSlow

Re: Two speed Taurus fan wiring (GM PCM)
« Reply #89 on: April 18, 2019, 05:56:36 PM »
Bought a replacement motor for a '95 Taurus, along with the proper pig tail from oreilly and got some chinese 80a relays with plugs from amazon. Wired everything up last night and installed the motor.

The stupid, switchable, circuit breaker from amazon decided to start working but immediately crapped out again upon the fan turning on for the first time.

Swapped in a traditional 40a circuit breaker and everything seems fan. Let it run through 3 or 4 cycles and all seems well, although I can't tell if it is just using low speed only or jumps straight to highspeed. Once things heat up around here I should be able to tell.

Thanks for all the help guys, it's always appreciated!