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Offline Exidous

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1035 on: April 21, 2024, 12:33:18 AM »
White hood with carbon accents look really nice.

That cam is quite close to mine. I'd be curious how yours carries with that intake. Mine is the typical lightly ported msd.
94 BB Sleeved gen IV LS7, MS3ProU with TC, RONIN 8.8 and LT's with custom 3.5"single to VAREX muffler.

Offline MPbdy

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1036 on: April 21, 2024, 06:49:10 PM »
From what I've seen the low profile intakes should peak similar to a single plane intake, but carry further past peak

There's one dude with a 388 LS7 with the sniper low pro that made ~680whp and went very fast in a heavy Fbody to back up the power.  I've not really seen anyone else with a serious engine combo and one of these intakes.

All I did was stick a tape measure into the plenum after it was already bolted down, but from best I can tell the bell mouth is 3" and my estimation then is the runner entry is 2.5" diameter. The runners are 4.3" long. 

A 2.5" circle has a CSA of 4.91 sq inch and I think the port flange CSA is going to be in the range of ~3 sq in. The ports didn't have any significant mismatch and the size is relatively close to a stock ls7 port..  Stock LS7 heads at 259cc runner volume have an MCSA of ~2.8 sq in.  This close to the port flange it would actually be better if the runner opening was more in the range of 2.25" which would be a CSA of 3.98 sq in - honestly still too much taper - but if you ported the heads up to 2.9-3.0 MCSA would probably be in the right range. 

They very may well be 2.25" my measurement was extremely unreliable and I didn't think to measure it sooner.  They are very tapered though - more than any rule of thumb I've seen.  I don't expect any benefit from runner length tuning with these super short runners.  Harmonic tuning doesn't start to help until ~8500 rpm and are probably not actually in tune until 9k+.  They just offer a dead straight shot from the intake to the plenum with super low flow losses.



I've done a lot of time wasting thinking about ITB's, runner diameter and lengths for intake manifolds and 2.5"/63.5mm is right in the right wheelhouse for a 427 to have a consistent taper down to the MCSA at the throat IF the throttle body is at a more typical ~6-7 inches from the port flange.  Most kits you'll find are 50mm or about 2" - if you're lucky 55mm.  It always gets on my nerves to see intake setups with throttle body diameter less than the valve throat size, but the LS7 2.2" intake valve makes it tough.

In the end, I'm hoping for the right power delivery more than power levels.  It has been something I've been chasing for a decade haha.  Even at just low 500 whp the car was really outrageously when driven in full anger on a canyon road.  The huge cam in the 402 definitely made it pull to 7400rpm which was fun, but I don't want a hog ass cam.  I just want the power delivery to match the nature of the car, and have it be rewarding to rev out instead of torque around at 3500 rpm through the twisties.  I'm fine with torquey - but think BMW S65 and not your Silverado that got you to the track lol.

I'm also hoping the intake doesn't make any weird noises or cause any tuning problems lol.

Offline Exidous

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1037 on: April 21, 2024, 08:36:07 PM »
I pretty much wanted the exact same thing. Power to carry to redline. Not a dog down low and a mildish cam. Queue the need for displacement.
94 BB Sleeved gen IV LS7, MS3ProU with TC, RONIN 8.8 and LT's with custom 3.5"single to VAREX muffler.

Offline digitalsolo

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1038 on: April 21, 2024, 08:47:56 PM »
Progress looks good, I kinda like those intake manifolds, they look nice at least.  :D

Radium fittings aren't cheap, but damned if they don't have the parts I need most of the time, and their quality is really nice.   I've got a ton of their stuff on the Mustang, and a little on the Aston as well.
Blake MF'ing McBride
1988 Mazda RX7 - Turbo LS1/T56/ProEFI/8.8/Not Slow...   sold.
1965 Mustang Coupe - TT Coyote, TR6060, modern brakes/suspension...
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Gen V LT4/TR6060, upper/lower pullies, headers, tune.
2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance - Stock...ish.

Offline MPbdy

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1039 on: April 22, 2024, 12:44:03 AM »
Yeah I have become a Radium fanboy ever since I got the in-tank surge setup.  Always loved the look of their parts, but the fit and finish is amazing for aftermarket after finally getting my hands on the stuff.  Ordering AN fittings from Summit feels like Russian roulette it is nice to have a reliable source.

Offline MPbdy

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1040 on: May 01, 2024, 02:14:35 PM »
Next update is either going to be a video of the thing running, or a part out.

I managed to fry something pretty good.  I connected the battery leads and didn't realize the alternator wire was leaning on the engine mount giving a dead short into the engine/chassis.  Smoked something bad either under or inside the car, and the Terminator X is no spark no fuel on cranking.  Haven't been able to find the culprit yet and ran out of time to diagnose as I was pretty much at the end of my day already.  It has been driving me crazy and I think I might be taking a half day here to go work on it some more lol.

Super fun to get to the finish line and create more work of the worst kind - electrical diagnosis  :punch:

I haven't drank since new years but oh boy has it been on my mind since I did this one lmao.

I have a few solid days more work into the thing, but not a lot of pictures.  Lots of finishing touches on fuel lines, adding relays, cleaning up little things like welding the radiator shroud back on from a failed tack weld etc.  Just fiddly finishing things, and fixing some small gripes while it is torn apart.

Ordered up some cheapy couplers and a tube off amazon and got something on here that should work.  If needed will squish the tube a bit on the top side, but I think this ought to fit and will get me going.







Took a break and drew up some fuel rail covers.  I'd like to make these out of carbon I think it'd look great.





I also took a ton of measurements of the shroud and TB and drew up their locations in CAD.  I took a stab at a couple duct designs, but this is my buddy's rendition who will be the one to print it as well.  It's looking pretty sick and fitting my vision exactly.  I ordered a C6 stock style filter that will be easy to adapt to the shroud.  Once the filter finally arrives I can take some measurements and finish up the prototype.






Offline MPbdy

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1041 on: May 01, 2024, 10:35:29 PM »
So. Now I feel like I’m getting trolled lol. I said no video of it running = partout.

It ran.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Mg2WNW5FJxE?si=bLKqf1ZeIwfl-IEW

But it won’t restart lmao! Two hours of troubleshooting and I’m done for the day again. It’s not getting an rpm signal while cranking. I have no idea why it would’ve worked once and not again another ~15 attempts at cranking it.

Sounds good though! Engine was smooth, no noises and seemed pretty quiet honestly. It was idling at 1150. I really want to hear this thing warmed up and idling around 800rpm I’m sad that didn’t happen today.

Also my short circuit situation…I found the smoke point. The current traveled down into the diff, out the axles, into the rotors and brake pads and lit up the ebrake cable like a resistive heater. Saved my wiring I guess lmao but the cable stretched so it has no tension anymore. I need to replace the cable. All things considered not a bad outcome.

Offline cholmes

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1042 on: May 01, 2024, 11:19:00 PM »
Ok, you just set a new standard for short circuit weirdness!
That is strange about the intermittent rpm signal, glad it's doing it now instead of later on the road.

Offline paul_3rdgen

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1043 on: May 02, 2024, 01:39:48 PM »
The hood looks great! I do agree with others, paint it and just leave the carbon vents.  I’ve tried to buy this hood so many times and no one wants to ship it to me. 


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93 RX7 R1 500rwhp
LS2, H/C combo... ARE drysump
Race Logic traction Control and 4 wheel Stoptech BBK
3.73 gears installed in the stock diff  :o

Offline digitalsolo

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1044 on: May 03, 2024, 09:50:51 AM »
Great progress.   I lit my interior on fire in my FC when I forgot to remove a test lead from the battery once...
Blake MF'ing McBride
1988 Mazda RX7 - Turbo LS1/T56/ProEFI/8.8/Not Slow...   sold.
1965 Mustang Coupe - TT Coyote, TR6060, modern brakes/suspension...
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Gen V LT4/TR6060, upper/lower pullies, headers, tune.
2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance - Stock...ish.

Offline MPbdy

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1045 on: May 03, 2024, 12:35:18 PM »
Yikes lol.  Yea my wife was with me when it started to smoke.  We both got mustard gassed trying to look in the car for the source of smoke lmao.  It was like a full face of nitro, but felt spicier somehow - like it was carbonated nitro fumes.  I really thought capacitors or something else electrical was melting.  Not sure how the ebrake cable was so noxious - maybe outer layers of metal were oxidizing and burning off lol.

My hail mary for the ECU was to just wait a day and do a true cold start and see if it'd fire up again and it won't.  Really confused how it would fire up instantly the first time, and then with no changes it won't restart.

Cranking the Holley shows "Stall" which is better than flashing sync/err.  The ECU has diagnostic lights on it and both the cam and crank sensor flash between green/blue as expected - never turns red.

The only red flag I can see is that the ECU is reporting much lower voltage than actual battery voltage - but it was doing this also when it fired up.  I check the harness that is feeding keyed 12V into the ECU and it is solid battery voltage.  I'm going to have to spend some more time with it to look for a shorted wire somewhere I guess.  Otherwise I need to bite the bullet and buy a second ECU for testing?  I know Holley will check the ECU if I mail it back but I'm having a tough time wanting to do that and wait for an answer.

Offline FC3S Murray

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1046 on: May 04, 2024, 09:23:53 PM »
Yes, paint it. Your FD is a simplistic clean, keep it that way ;)


OTR intake render looks awesome! That is one of my last items I want to do to my FC....just don't want hood pins :(


Start up sounds healthy. Can't wait to see some in car footage at WOT.


Keep up the awesome work buddy! :cheers:



13 years of abuse and still running STRONG!

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Offline Exidous

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1047 on: May 05, 2024, 02:35:42 AM »
Check out craftcloud3d.com to get the intake SLS Nylon printed. Shainiac is working on a design for me to run dual 82mm throttle bodies on the LS7 and will be printing in aluminum for under $500.
94 BB Sleeved gen IV LS7, MS3ProU with TC, RONIN 8.8 and LT's with custom 3.5"single to VAREX muffler.

Offline MPbdy

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1048 on: May 05, 2024, 10:40:58 PM »
Check out craftcloud3d.com to get the intake SLS Nylon printed. Shainiac is working on a design for me to run dual 82mm throttle bodies on the LS7 and will be printing in aluminum for under $500.

Sweet! $500 plus two cheap oem TB’s is going to be the same price as an aftermarket larger DBW unit lol. I just watched a video recently about printing a turbo manifold for cheap on craftcloud it’s definitely on my mind.

Offline MPbdy

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1049 on: May 05, 2024, 10:42:42 PM »
Yes, paint it. Your FD is a simplistic clean, keep it that way ;)

OTR intake render looks awesome! That is one of my last items I want to do to my FC....just don't want hood pins :(

Start up sounds healthy. Can't wait to see some in car footage at WOT.

Keep up the awesome work buddy! :cheers:

Thanks dude! I get to keep my hood latch but I think I’ll be putting some hood pins anyways. It seems most people do with aftermarket hoods. Was going to try it first and see if it starts lifting.