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Offline MPbdy

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #675 on: January 05, 2020, 12:53:10 AM »
Got my valve drop specs

At zero lash I have 105 clearance on the exhaust and 86 on the intake. Shooting for .080 and .060 when it’s hot with lash.

Going to cut .040 off the heads which should put me about 12.8. Not quite as high as I wanted but it’s the space I’ve got.

I can now get the rotating assembly balanced too which should mean I’m done with machine shops.

Offline MPbdy

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #676 on: January 05, 2020, 12:54:19 AM »
I'm working on a not insane version of your setup. Sleeved TSP gen 4 block. Full LS7 rotating assembly. Still working out the heads. I have a set of fresh LS7s but they've been cnc'd to 312cc on the intake. Far too big for me but the price was just too good to pass up.

Looking forward to more updates!

That’s a huge port!! I’m surprised there’s enough material in a stock head to get that big.

Those TSP bottom ends are a great deal. You should be happy.

Offline Exidous

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #677 on: January 05, 2020, 02:32:44 AM »
When I bought the heads the port wasn't listed. They guy(older) got them in a trade and never took them out of the bag.

I had to measure them myself and was pretty shocked when I had to fill my 4th 100cc tube... The exhaust ports are for a 2" primary too. My 1 7/8" are smaller hence the need to sell them.

You can see why I got a deal on them. They were repaired after a valve stem popped through the roof. The could use a reCNC on that port but I think the company is no more. NGP in Oklahoma.

I'm looking for something in the TSP OEM head range. Or even a Mamo 265 if I find a briefcase of money.
94 BB Sleeved gen IV LS7, MS3ProU with TC, RONIN 8.8 and LT's with custom 3.5"single to VAREX muffler.

Offline MPbdy

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #678 on: March 13, 2020, 01:38:24 PM »
So I don't have much too much to report recently other than my girl and I made it past our housewarming alive and still talking to each other.  I swear I have never had less sleep that consistently in my life leading up to the housewarming.  We rocked it though, and without the pressure of the deadline I know a lot wouldn't have happened (including something awesome you'll see in the next post).

Unfortunately I have had a change of plans with regards to the compression of the motor.  I don't have enough piston to valve clearance to cut the heads a meaningful amount.  Going mega tight on the PTV I would only be able to squeak out about 12.4:1 compression, which is enough to require E85 or Boostane to run on 91, but not enough to make a huge difference in performance.  All the headache and expense without the gains doesn't make much sense.

My 13.5:1 compression dreams might be dashed, but at "only" 11.9:1 I should be stylin.  I'll still be running flexfuel for the cooling properties and added security of some extra octane.

As far as rings go, I bit the bullet and called up total seal and got some low tension gas ported rings ordered up.  Super super trick rings that give you the benefit of gas ported pistons, but that drop into a standard ringland.  They cut grooves in the top ring that accomplish the same thing as horizontal gas ports in the pistons.  These will drop into the Mahle pistons, but will offer a ton of performance gain with the drysump.  They were super excited for me to get these - promising it will be worth it.  This entire time I've wanted to pull vacuum on the crank case and it just didn't seem like a good match to have a high tension OEM type ring pack that came with the Mahle pistons.

Now that the rings are here, and I decided on a chamber volume, I can get everything to the machine shop to balance the bottom end and then it is time to start fitting bearings and assembling the motor.  Have hit a little lull in progress, but things should pick up again here soon. 

The old Coroner has cancelled all my work travel, customer visits, trade shows...everything.  It is also cancelling my races this month, and our largest race of the year is at risk in ~1 month.  I guess if nothing else it opens me up to some free time to get shit done.


Offline Exidous

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #679 on: March 14, 2020, 10:10:56 AM »
Sorry to hear the high compression didn't work out. I'll be at 12:1 with an 8.77:1DCR. I have yet to measure PTV but that should be happening this week.
Take the Corona with lime as an opportunity to finish stuff. Ha
94 BB Sleeved gen IV LS7, MS3ProU with TC, RONIN 8.8 and LT's with custom 3.5"single to VAREX muffler.

Offline MPbdy

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #680 on: March 14, 2020, 11:31:11 AM »
Sorry to hear the high compression didn't work out. I'll be at 12:1 with an 8.77:1DCR. I have yet to measure PTV but that should be happening this week.
Take the Corona with lime as an opportunity to finish stuff. Ha

Yeah it was my fault for trying to change plans mid build. 12:1 was my first goal and it’s not a bad one..I’d need pistons with a dome or deeper valve pockets to do the high compression thing but I’ve already honed the block to the pistons. It’ll all work out.

Offline radiomike

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #681 on: March 14, 2020, 01:41:07 PM »
Sorry to hear the high compression didn't work out. I'll be at 12:1 with an 8.77:1DCR. I have yet to measure PTV but that should be happening this week.
Take the Corona with lime as an opportunity to finish stuff. Ha

Out of interest how do you calculate the DCR, there are many variables but I guess the main influence is cam overlap?

Offline Exidous

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #682 on: March 14, 2020, 01:51:18 PM »
Not overlap. Intake valve closing at .006". Mine is 75.5°. Search for a DCR calculator. You'll need SCR, IVC, rod length, bore and stroke I believe. 8.7:1 is about the limit for 91. I ran 8.96 for a couple years but required 93. High DCR is pretty awesome. Makes the throttle super snappy.

Cammotion doesn't advertise their .006" durations so I had to email them before I bought my cam.

Calculate IVC at .006"
Calculate SCR
Calculate DCR

If you end up with a little too much or too little DCR you can use an adjustable cam sprocket and change the ICL. Most are +4. Regarding will lower DCR.
94 BB Sleeved gen IV LS7, MS3ProU with TC, RONIN 8.8 and LT's with custom 3.5"single to VAREX muffler.

Offline MPbdy

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #683 on: March 14, 2020, 03:43:36 PM »
So, I'm super glad that I am able to do this LS7 thing in parallel with keeping the car 100% driveable.  I've been enjoying it a lot recently, driving it 2-3 times a week to work.  Just ordered a bunch of tools and some little things to do.  I'll have a jack, ramps and stands here soon.  Ordered some longer and bigger pushrods to try an experiment with, going to change the plugs for the first time in maybe...5 years I think, and I need to fix my coolant tank after breaking the car last weekend up Angeles Crest Highway.  Good news is, the car is phenomenal.  With the slicks and Ohlins it really is an experience.  My buddy just got an E92 M3 so we swapped for part of the drive and that was a blast too.  Very neat car.  Was really fun seeing my car driven in anger from behind.

I've been fighting the cooling in this thing for years.  The radiator itself may be big enough, but the expansion tank and overflow are undersized for the LS cooling system volume.  I can babysit it and keep the water full, but before long it pushes water out, and through the years I've had a number of problems that prevent the cooling system from holding pressure and cooling properly.  Before ACH I gave it a tuneup to fix a radiator cap leak due to the expansion tank corroding away, and put over a half gallon of water in it that mysteriously disappeared.  Thinking it would be good to go, in fixing the cap leak the next weakest point failed.  Luckily it was only 32 degrees at the top of ACH and the car was cooling well.  It lasted about 4 hours of driving before the tank finally failed beneath the cap and started overheating and sprayed water and steam out the filler neck.  Was exciting.

So now my buddy is going to build a stainless tank for me after I told him what I wanted.  It'll hold a lot more water which hopefully will keep water in the engine and not pushing out the overflow.   

I hinted at some garage updates in the last post.  I'm loving this garage.  Believe it or not, my girl was the one that pushed to get the floors coated.  This was an awesome process.  It was completed within one working day, and everything goes back in 24 hours later.  Also got the car clayed and waxed the day before I went up ACH and it came out great.  Now it is absolutely caked with gravel and dirt lol.  ACH was filthy up there from the winter weather.



Responsibly got my corona virus mask on as you can see, but the tank was not happy with me at all.  I let the thing cool down for an hour in a target parking lot and dumped a gallon of water in.  I hit 240*+.  I say plus because the water was so low that I think the sensor just became uncovered.  Managed to drive it home and it never got over 185 and the tank held pressure again.  Either the stopleak that fixed Samberg's shit radiator plugged the tank up for now, or it only splits once pressure hits a certain level, 212+.  Once it gets an air path to the water in the tank it is a runaway failure because it locally boils and then the steam pushes the tank apart.



Actually not too bothered about it.  I've wanted to do this tank for years, and this gives me an excuse to slow down and get it done.  Looking forward to breaking in the garage with the first car project.


Offline paul_3rdgen

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #684 on: March 15, 2020, 11:06:57 AM »
I really like where your headed with this.  High compression is great but if it causes issues with finding the proper fuel readily, isn’t that going to become a problem?  I want to build a 427ci motor as well, but streetable/reliable is key imo. 


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93 RX7 R1 500rwhp
LS2, H/C combo... ARE drysump
Race Logic traction Control and 4 wheel Stoptech BBK
3.73 gears installed in the stock diff  :o

Offline MPbdy

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #685 on: March 15, 2020, 12:05:45 PM »
I really like where your headed with this.  High compression is great but if it causes issues with finding the proper fuel readily, isn’t that going to become a problem?  I want to build a 427ci motor as well, but streetable/reliable is key imo. 


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Yeah high comp without the right fuel is a major drag. Even normal low load driving can cause problems. The plan was Boostane additive and flex fuel to make it work, but end of the day it would be a huge hassle.

I thought you already had a 427 Paul? I know you’re dry sumped and making lots of power.

Offline paul_3rdgen

403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #686 on: March 15, 2020, 12:11:46 PM »
No 427 here.  Just a well thought out drysump Ls2.  505rwhp and 450rwtq.  My goal would be to make 600+ to the wheels, low 10sec street/track monster. I have everything else built to handle 1000hp. This season I’m concentrating on seat time! 


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93 RX7 R1 500rwhp
LS2, H/C combo... ARE drysump
Race Logic traction Control and 4 wheel Stoptech BBK
3.73 gears installed in the stock diff  :o

Offline MPbdy

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #687 on: March 15, 2020, 12:44:49 PM »
Nice... I make about 450wtq from my stroked ls2 right now. That’s a really manageable amount of power with a good tire to still drive the  car hard. R comps do just fine without needing a drag radial or anything that would ruin the handling. I’m trying to add as little torque as possible but raise my peak power rpm about 1500 rpm higher lol.

Offline paul_3rdgen

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #688 on: March 15, 2020, 01:00:08 PM »
I agree, more horse power up top without increasing the tire frying low end torque.  Love the torque, but there’s a usable limit. I’m running the race logic traction control which definitely comes in handy but I found that it doesn’t help at the drag strip. 


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93 RX7 R1 500rwhp
LS2, H/C combo... ARE drysump
Race Logic traction Control and 4 wheel Stoptech BBK
3.73 gears installed in the stock diff  :o

Offline kinger

Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #689 on: March 16, 2020, 03:07:25 PM »
Awesome rings, I wonder how they compare durability wise with the reduced material.  I am at 430 rwtq, I also want to build a 427.  Nice garage!
93 Touring, 6.3L, T56 Magnum, Mamo RPS BC2 clutch, FAST 90, NW 90TB TB, 8.8, samberg everything, AC, PS, TC, Cruise, LED Tails, HID head lights