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Offline wickedrx7

Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #405 on: April 17, 2015, 04:52:03 PM »
I have heard the e38 doesn't like SD tuning compared to the older pcms.

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Offline MPbdy

Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #406 on: April 17, 2015, 07:27:47 PM »
I have an e40 pcm. Has its own issues... Like how my first one bricked itself on key on the first time. Overall it's easy to tune and the faster processing speed vs an 0411 pcm is really noticeable. Idle control is much smoother. Resolution on the tables is higher and speed of timing adjustment is much faster. Basically the same as e38 but more user friendly OS for tuning.

VE tuning is the same as 0411 pcm just a bigger table. Luckily it doesn't use GMVE or whatever it is. No spreadsheet required. Just multiply by percentage.  MAF is the same but broken into high range and low range.

I'm actually thinking of doing closed loop speed density but only in low load ranges like idle and freeway cruising. I'm going to start with open loop VE tuning of course though.

I do figure it's going to be a lot of work, but mostly just time consuming. The VE table is pretty good right now. I can go wot to redline and it doesn't kill itself. Should it be a pretty linear shift with the cam change, or is it a clean slate?

I do have access to a couple loaded chassis dynos. I think I can get really close on the street though. Maybe just finish up the WOT tune at those places. Never done a VE tune on the dyno.  I think I'd spend most of the time figuring out how to do it.

Offline MPbdy

Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #407 on: April 17, 2015, 07:35:41 PM »
Also I'm getting pretty pumped for this cam swap.

I was going through the traps 1k+ rpm past hp peak. I should pick up a lot just from shifting the powerband up... Not to mention the power gains from the cam itself. Too bad I'll only get one run before they kick me out. I figure 10's for sure on a good run.

Going to have to change the thread title haha

Offline FC3S Murray

Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #408 on: April 17, 2015, 08:17:41 PM »
Sweet, glad to read that the E40 doesn't have the E38 coefficients...THANK goodness for the mathematicians on hptuners who develop that VE coversion software so we can reap the benefit.
I don't know how much a cam change alters VE....my head swap changed so much on my tune but then again my head change was a drastic change. Maybe someone else on here can pipe in on cam tuning.



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Offline Exidous

Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #409 on: April 18, 2015, 04:04:34 AM »
Sandbag after the 1/8th until you get a feel for the launch then go all out and get booted :-p
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Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #410 on: April 18, 2015, 08:50:26 PM »
Sweet, glad to read that the E40 doesn't have the E38 coefficients...THANK goodness for the mathematicians on hptuners who develop that VE coversion software so we can reap the benefit.
I don't know how much a cam change alters VE....my head swap changed so much on my tune but then again my head change was a drastic change. Maybe someone else on here can pipe in on cam tuning.

Cam change majorly alters VE table lol, and even if you're at the same lambda, can change ignition characteristics as well.

Offline FC3S Murray

Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #411 on: April 21, 2015, 05:14:24 PM »
Sweet, glad to read that the E40 doesn't have the E38 coefficients...THANK goodness for the mathematicians on hptuners who develop that VE coversion software so we can reap the benefit.
I don't know how much a cam change alters VE....my head swap changed so much on my tune but then again my head change was a drastic change. Maybe someone else on here can pipe in on cam tuning.

Cam change majorly alters VE table lol, and even if you're at the same lambda, can change ignition characteristics as well.

 
Yeah that is what I figured. I was comparing a couple of before and after vette cam only tunes and the changes are GLOBAL.  :D
 
Not hard to get ball bark but like stated earlier, time will be extensive (thats why I like keeping my MAF, after 4k you dont have to be as OCD with your %'s. I actually run my VE only to 3000 rpm instead of 4k.



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Offline MPbdy

Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #412 on: May 01, 2015, 02:40:51 PM »
I guess I'll start tearing her down this weekend :)  How tricky is it to sneak a cam out the front?

Comp finished the cam today.  Shipping Monday.

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Offline Exidous

Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #413 on: May 01, 2015, 04:33:24 PM »
Pull the rad and that's about it. Don't even have to remove the bumper.
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Offline largeorangefont

Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #414 on: May 01, 2015, 05:02:31 PM »
That should be a nice pickup.

Have you sold the vette yet? When can I pick up my 1.85 rockers?  :yay:
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Offline MPbdy

Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #415 on: May 01, 2015, 05:27:40 PM »
It's still hiding in the garage haha.  Out of sight out of mine.  Managed to adjust the insurance with the Fiesta to be the same cost as just having the vette and the mazda...so that's good.

I very likely won't de-mod the vette when I sell it :[

Offline paul_3rdgen

Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #416 on: May 01, 2015, 08:03:16 PM »
Like exidous said, cam swaps are pretty easy in the FD, once the rad is out there is plenty of space.    Eps lobes?  What changed your mind?
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Offline MPbdy

Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #417 on: May 01, 2015, 08:12:32 PM »
EPS lobes were what I wanted to use the whole time I just didn't know if comp would grind them for me.

Offline largeorangefont

Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #418 on: May 01, 2015, 08:36:52 PM »
It's still hiding in the garage haha.  Out of sight out of mine.  Managed to adjust the insurance with the Fiesta to be the same cost as just having the vette and the mazda...so that's good.

I very likely won't de-mod the vette when I sell it :[


Just PM me your address and leave your garage open :)
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Offline MPbdy

Re: White 94 Cali legal 404 stroker ls2 swap
« Reply #419 on: May 01, 2015, 09:26:23 PM »
Make the whole car disappear for $24k :yay: