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Offline mrls1

Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2010, 12:10:53 AM »
Ran into the same problem with my tank only yours looks mint compared to mine! Found a guy in PA who baked the tank, plasma cut it down the middle, sandblasted it, re-welded it, coated it, then guranteed it for life. The damage was around $275.00! Let me know what you decide on the tank, I could dig up his name if you needed it!


 http://www.gas-tank.com/

This guy has more balls then me to plasma cut and weld a gas tank! Work was TOP NOTCH!
« Last Edit: July 20, 2010, 12:14:06 AM by mrls1 »

Offline MPbdy

Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2010, 12:24:10 AM »
Looks like a nice solution, but for $275 + shipping both ways you're close to a new one at $600 from Ray.  Also no shit about cutting and welding on a gas tank!  Seems like it could get pretty exciting...

I am having surprisingly good luck locating a used one.  I am waiting on a couple pm's back right now.

Fritz has a couple options for me at $125 + shipping, but he is in Virginia.  I'd rather not have to pay for the shipping.  There is one guy about an hour from me for $120 but I don't know what kind of shape its in.  There is a guy in norcal 8-9 hours away that has a '95 tank in great condition for $50!  I really want that one.  Next weekend I'll have friends up north drag racing...hopefully he lives near Infineon raceway.  I could pay him an extra 10 bucks to drop it off or something.


Offline MPbdy

Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2010, 06:13:28 PM »
Excellent attention to detail in this build. I am definitely looking forward to reading this at least once a week. What school are you going to for your ME degree? I'm studying at a small college here in Melbourne called Florida Tech for my ME degree as well.

Oop missed this post.

I'm goin to Cal Poly Pomona.  I'm fairly certain I'm a senior now based on units.  Starting my junior level classes now.  I transferred in as a junior with my general ed done.


Offline Santorican

Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2010, 04:01:46 PM »
Hey me too!  :D

Offline TTZMatt

Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #34 on: August 01, 2010, 02:38:32 PM »
Very nice work.  I love seeing builds with such attention to detail.  Keep it up, it will be a badass car!
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Offline RTRx7

Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2010, 07:03:20 PM »
Sweet build man.

Keep it up and don't get discouraged.

Offline MPbdy

Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2010, 02:23:52 AM »
Thanks for the compliments everyone.  Its nice to know that people are reading :) 

Its definitely tough sometimes RTRx7.  I think everyone goes through periods of depression with these builds lol.  I wish the progress was more constant.  There are moments of brilliance where everything is going quickly and smoothly, and then there are times where it sits stagnant for a month.  There are a couple things here and there that bug me, but I am extremely happy with everything so far.  The things that bother me won't even be visible to anyone else.  When the car is finished no one will be looking at the runs in the caliper paint. :D

I have a lot of pictures I need to organize and write up.  I'll give quick teaser of whats coming up :yay:


Offline MPbdy

Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2010, 02:43:33 AM »
Well, I guess its time to catch up.  It feels like I've gone in 100 directions.  I really wish I could have just finished the fuel setup earlier...everything would be much simpler at the moment.

First up, my dad has been working on the new brake lines.  I've only done double flare lines once before and was not really confident to take something like this on.  The lines are really tight how we wanted to do it.  The flare tool barely could get on most of the lines because of where the bends were.  Its coming out beautifully. 

Its about half done.  The only lines left are the ones that go from the T to the front calipers.  One line will run across the firewall like the stock ones did, and the other one will go down the hole in the inner fender right by the T.

That is the stock prop valve mounted under the master cylinder.  The fitting that the line is going to for the rear brakes is stock and in a very convenient place.





I also painted the shine street diffuser I bought a while back.  I wet sanded it, filled a couple spots, and then shot it with some rustoleum textured plastic paint.  Its the same stuff Silverbullet used to paint his and it looks pretty nice.  I can't wait to see it under the car!  Too bad it won't get mounted until the very end :(



Its pretty hard to photograph in the sun.  The paint really changes its look depending on your angle and the lighting.  Under the car it should be a lot more subtle.  The texture does a good job of replicating the stock textured look on the front and rear lip.



I had some free time so I took a cutoff wheel to the bin for the battery relocation.  That's as far as I got with it for now.  Just fyi, if you wear shorts the molten plastic gets stuck in your leg hair.  Feels bad man. 

The plan at the moment is to build a sealed and vented metal battery box under the bin.  We'll see how that works out  ::)  Nothings actually been set in the car yet to see what kind of real estate I've got to work with. 



And as you saw from the teaser the engine and trans are now separated :)  This post is getting kind of long..time for a new one.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2010, 02:45:23 AM by Daniel »

Offline MPbdy

Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2010, 03:50:24 AM »
Its amazing what some people can do in 40,000 miles!  Nothing is awful, but its definitely in worse condition than I had hoped.  Thankfully I decided to get an aftermarket clutch before I separated the engine and trans.  I was close to planning on reusing the stock one.  $900 surprises are not fun when they aren't planned. 

The clutch disk was almost fully worn, and the flywheel was extremely warped.  The pressure plate looked anodized it was so blue.  It had been extremely hot many times. 



It was pretty dirty.  I stripped it of everything loose and got it ready to be washed.  Nothing out of the ordinary...except there was a pretty large amount of cat hair under the fuel rails. wtf  :secret:



It cleaned up real nice :)  It soaked for a day and a half in orange clean, and then I blasted it with soapy water.  Its much nicer to work on clean parts.



At this point I started tearing the engine down while my dad worked on the cylinder heads.  I'd stop to grab pictures when interesting things were happening. 

It was suggested to me to get the LSA cylinder head.  For those who don't know, the LSA is the detuend LS9 that goes in the new supercharged cadillac cts-v.  The LSA head is the same as the LS9 head, but does not use titanium valves.  They are very similar to the LS3 head, but have slight revisions.

There is very little information out there about these heads.  I haven't found a single person who has run them.

I knew that the chambers were a lot bigger on these heads than the LS2 heads.  I want the compression ratio to be brought back to stock, which is 11:1.  To do this, you have to cut the heads.  To know how much to cut the heads, you have to CC the chambers.  The stock head has a 64.5 CC chamber.  You want to match that with the new head.

To CC the chamber my dad has this plexiglass plate with a hole in it.  You want the hole to be where the air bubble will float to (think of a level).  You want seal the plate to the head, and the valves to the seats using some kind of grease.  The fancy tube is a beret.  It has graduations from 0-100 CC.  You fill it with liquid to 100cc, and then fill the chamber without spilling.  Once the chamber is full you know the volume of the chamber.  These chambers were 70cc exactly.  The machine shop will need to figure out how many thousandths cut off is equal to 1 CC so they can clip the appropriate amount of material.









Next up is flowbench testing.  Not tryin to brag (ok maybe a little :D), but how many homes have a flowbench in them? 

The setup is like this.  The piece of clay is molded to make a smooth entry into the port.  There are two checking springs holding the valves in.  The head is clamped to the plexiglass with a gasket in between them.  The plexiglass has a 4 inch bore, the same as the LS2.  A dial indicator is resting on top of a bolt that is screwed down to open the valve.  The dial indicator lets you know what lift number you're at.



I'm taking a head off, and he's playing with a giant vacuum cleaner.



Both heads are off.  Yuck.





Keep the valvetrain organized.  You'll want to know what went where when you find something wrong.  Also, if you're reusing valvetrain you generally want it to go back where it was.



Just the dampener, front cover, and cam left to go.



This picture came out terrible. Its a short block now.



And all done for the night.  I need a bigger table.



Honestly the engine isn't in too bad of shape.  The oil has been changed a few times between 0 and 40,000 miles...so it could have been worse.  It may have been naive to expect the engine to be less carboned up, but really its only 40,000 miles!  I had cleaned out the bores quite a bit.  There was a lot more carbon in there.  Thankfully all the cylinder walls look ok.  So far there aren't any signs of detonation.  Tomorrow night we will pull a piston and see what the rings and bearings look like.

Another thing I didn't like is there was quite a bit of oil in the intake and everything seemed pretty moist beyond that point.  Like I said, nothing shows signs of detonation, but its never good to be misting oil in there.  I know oil in the intake is fairly normal with these engines, but it seems a little excessive.  I wonder if it was overfilled?

Offline MPbdy

Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2010, 04:22:05 AM »
I forgot to write about the cylinder heads!

The flowbench results were pretty interesting.  I could verify the data against a couple online sources that had flowbench data for L92 heads.  The exhaust port flow matched almost identically.  This allowed me to compare the intake flow numbers from my head to theirs.

As expected, the exhaust port is exactly the same as the l92 head.  It flows 212cfm.  The intake is very different.  The most unique part of the LSA head is the "wing" in the intake port.  It creates a low pressure in the port to pull the intake charge towards the center of the chamber.  Without the swirl wing the intake charge dumps straight into the cylinder wall.  Ideally you want the intake charge to enter the chamber right in the center.  You never want to make it make a hard turn.  On a big block chevy, the head has two good intake ports and two bad intake ports.  The good intake ports open into the center of the chamber.  The bad ports dump into the cylinder wall.  If you flow each intake port, the good one will be 20 CFM better.  It makes a big difference how the intake charge enters the chamber.

On the other had, the wing blocks part of the port to create that low pressure and takes up area. 

The LSA head matches the L92 until .450 lift.  At that point the L92 head runs away from it.  At peak lift, the LSA head flows 30 cfm less.  Its 290 something vs 320 something.

Now, CFM is not the end all be all for cylinder head performance.  This is where voodoo, the dark arts, and ritual sacrifice comes into play.  The biggest criticism of the L92 head is that the intake port is almost TOO big.  It is a lazy port.  The velocity is very low.  It is basically just a rectangle extruded into the combustion chamber.  They definitely make good power, but its possibly giving up performance by being that big.

Also, more black magic, there are things that happen in a port on an engine that do not happen on the flowbench.  An engine does some crazy stuff while its running.  A flowbench does a good job of comparing heads, but it doesn't really replicate an engine.  Also, not everything shows up as a change in CFM.  Velocity, chamber entry, mixture motion...all of these things are trial and error kind of things.  Problem is I don't have piles of heads to test nor a dyno to test them on.

The LSA head will definitely 100% without question have better combustion chamber entry, as well as a higher velocity.  In low lift, 450 and below, it should run harder than the l92 head.  It flows the same CFM and has a higher veloctiy and better entry path...there is no reason for it to not make more power. 

The worrysome part is above 450 lift.  30 cfm is a whole lot of flow.  It is 10%!  At the moment I think the plan is to still run these heads.  Whenver I want I can box them back up and exchange them for l92 heads. 

The dilemma is do I satisfy my curiosity and possibly leave power on the table, or do I go with what everyone else is running and know it will work?

The guess right now is that it will sacrifice some top end over the l92's, and make for an even fatter torque curve.  It should be good for the application, and I'm excited to see what happens.

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Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2010, 10:26:15 AM »
wow this is a awesome build i have no doubt that motor is gonna run awesome! pretty cool your dad knowing all that shit and handing the info down!
 
i feel you on the build and its nice to go to your thread and see people are enjoying it and waiting to see more of it! almost brings you back to life.
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Offline RTRx7

Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2010, 11:42:46 AM »
Wow.

Serious stuff happening here.

Offline digitalsolo

Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2010, 12:08:38 PM »
So nothing complicated then?   LOL

Nice work, dig the flowbench!
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Offline mattster03

Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2010, 03:32:48 PM »
Great thread keep it up... you pops has some awesome tools!
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Offline MPbdy

Re: White 94 cali legal ls2 swap
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2010, 05:23:00 PM »
Thanks a lot everyone :D

Great thread keep it up... you pops has some awesome tools!

LOL yes he does.  Its amazing after all this time working with him he still pulls random crap out that I have never seen before.