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Offline kinger

CCFabLab ball joints, anyone use these for bumpsteer?
« on: May 23, 2023, 08:59:45 AM »
Just curious if anyone has the lowered version and if it helped with bumpsteer?

https://ccfablab.com/product/cc-rx7-fd3s-front-lca-ball-joint-replacement-roll-center-kit/
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Offline Gunnytron

Re: CCFabLab ball joints, anyone use these for bumpsteer?
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2023, 10:23:41 AM »
I was looking at these yesterday. You been watching Rob Dahm too? :)

I actually spent hours a year or 2 ago, trying to find the parts they used so I could make the same kit. Never found them though.

I guess, in theory you would get reduced bump steer, or at least a flatter arc, but as you have probably seen from some of my posts, this is a very un-informed comment.
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Offline AHarada

Re: CCFabLab ball joints, anyone use these for bumpsteer?
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2023, 04:36:24 AM »
Interesting product. I have their standard ball joints, as the roll center adjusting ones weren’t available when I bought them. People have had success spacing down their outer tie rods to get minimal bumpsteer, including my car.

I’m curious to know if and how they calculated for the roll center and instant center on our car. Maybe I’ll email them and ask.

Gunnytron which Rob Dahm video are you talking about?
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Offline Gunnytron

Re: CCFabLab ball joints, anyone use these for bumpsteer?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2023, 05:45:23 AM »
He briefly mentions the kit in his most recent vid @09:28:
http://www.norotors.com/index.php?topic=12880.0
FD, LS1 running 220 3.90 Trickflow heads, Comp Ultra-gold Arc 1.72 Rockers, 7.550 BTR Pushrods, BTR Stage II NA Cam 227/234 .614"/.576" 113+2, ARP Head Bolts, BTR Platinum Springs, Ported FAST 90, NW 90mm TB, FAST 60lb Injectors, Textralia Clutch/Flywheel, T56, Cobra 8.8, 31 spline, trac-loc 3.55 Diff, Holley HP EFI, Racelogic TC.

Offline spacevomit

Re: CCFabLab ball joints, anyone use these for bumpsteer?
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2023, 07:56:13 AM »
Those are just for having a serviceable joint and roll-center correction on lowered cars. If there's no adjustment range I see no reason to expect it to magically cancel out bumpsteer on a car with a repositioned rack.

Offline Bowtie7

Re: CCFabLab ball joints, anyone use these for bumpsteer?
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2023, 10:59:18 AM »
I'd be cautious of anything endorsed by Rob Dahm. In spite of the buckets of money spent on his builds, he is sloppy and ignores safety. It is going to bite him one day.
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Offline Exidous

Re: CCFabLab ball joints, anyone use these for bumpsteer?
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2023, 03:10:03 AM »
I'd be cautious of anything endorsed by Rob Dahm. In spite of the buckets of money spent on his builds, he is sloppy and ignores safety. It is going to bite him one day.

I completely agree.

There is no way the lower ball joint will fix bump. The Ronin/speedway stuff works.
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Offline MPbdy

Re: CCFabLab ball joints, anyone use these for bumpsteer?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2023, 04:53:46 PM »
How can this not impact bumpsteer?

It is changing the angle of the lower control arm which is one of the contributors to bump steer.


Offline AHarada

Re: CCFabLab ball joints, anyone use these for bumpsteer?
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2023, 06:08:24 PM »
You are correct, lowering the ball joint on the lower control arm will absolutely have an affect on bump steer.

If we use the product to space out the lower control arm ball joint lower, would we only be changing the LCA angle (assuming we adjusted ride height to the same)? If so, then that would RAISE the instantaneous center. If that is the case, then we would require even more bump steer correction at the tie rod end. My tie rod end is corrected as low as it can go to fit inside my 17” wheels, so only changing the LCA angle would create MORE bump steer.

The whole point of using the roll center adjustment ball joints would be to bring the roll center up to the center of gravity for the car. I emailed the company and have tried calling them, but haven’t gotten a hold of them. Without data, measurements, and/or calculations, how would we even know where we are putting the instantaneous centers and roll center? Even if we did need roll center adjustment on our lowered cars, it seems like it would be a trade-off for creating more bump steer, especially on a steering rack position that is lowered from stock.
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Offline Exidous

Re: CCFabLab ball joints, anyone use these for bumpsteer?
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2023, 07:03:02 PM »
Camber curve will be affected far more than bump I'd think.
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Offline Turbotronic

Re: CCFabLab ball joints, anyone use these for bumpsteer?
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2023, 07:10:34 AM »
I'd be cautious of anything endorsed by Rob Dahm. In spite of the buckets of money spent on his builds, he is sloppy and ignores safety. It is going to bite him one day.

I third this about Rob. He seems like a well meaning, okay guy. His content can be entertaining, but he clearly takes short cuts and makes questionable decisions. There's arguably more to learn from his mistakes than anything. He's also a youtuber, which should be an automatic strike on one's credibility.

MPbdy is right, though. It will change the point where the IC occurs. It does less to solve the issue than the Ronin bumpsteer correction kit, as that allows you to adjust the angle of tie rod and thus the intersection of the IC and the virtual line created by that tie rod end.

Changing the effective height of the upright particularly by a small amount should only minimally change the camber curve if at all IIRC. Camber gain/loss is most affected by the difference in length between the control arms. Which isn't to say that upright height plays no role, or chassis side mount separation no role in camber change, they do. It is just the case that the adjustments have to be much larger to cause the same amount of change you would get by changing the ratio between the control arms. That's my memory of things from playing with suspension geometry calculators, anyway.

Brief aside: regarding lowering, FD drop spindles would be really cool.

Finally, none of this is intended to repudiate the idea of correcting the role center on a lowered car. That makes sense, IMO and would be the reason to get this kit. Provided you went low enough to merit it.

Offline freeskier7791

Re: CCFabLab ball joints, anyone use these for bumpsteer?
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2023, 09:06:05 AM »
Brief aside: regarding lowering, FD drop spindles would be really cool.

I wonder if any of the drift angle kit companies make one.  They have them for S chassis.
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Offline spacevomit