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Offline Exidous

Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #540 on: November 05, 2024, 05:23:49 AM »
Is your setup bolt on like the euro and Nissan stuff? A spacer maybe. Drift guys use them all the time as adapters to run 350z axles since they are everywhere and cheap.
94 BB Sleeved gen IV LS7, MS3ProU with TC, RONIN 8.8 and LT's with custom 3.5"single to VAREX muffler.

Offline digitalsolo

Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #541 on: November 05, 2024, 06:21:03 AM »
No, it’s integrated on both side.   Spacers would be a lot easier but not viable unfortunately.
Blake MF'ing McBride
1988 Mazda RX7 - Turbo LS1/T56/ProEFI/8.8/Not Slow...   sold.
1965 Mustang Coupe - TT Coyote, TR6060, modern brakes/suspension...
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Gen V LT4/TR6060, upper/lower pullies, headers, tune.
2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance - Stock...ish.

Offline digitalsolo

Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #542 on: November 11, 2024, 04:21:45 PM »
Well, I'm looped into building a new harness for a friend's car, which is going to slow down this project.  But since I have to wire another car...

...I'm going to see if he wants to do a Mil-Spec harness in his, and then he can pay by buying my harness supplies to redo the Aston harness properly.   Because, escalation, of course.
Blake MF'ing McBride
1988 Mazda RX7 - Turbo LS1/T56/ProEFI/8.8/Not Slow...   sold.
1965 Mustang Coupe - TT Coyote, TR6060, modern brakes/suspension...
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Gen V LT4/TR6060, upper/lower pullies, headers, tune.
2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance - Stock...ish.

Offline Exidous

Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #543 on: November 12, 2024, 04:07:25 AM »
AHAHAHAHA

I'm glad I did mine concentric Tefzel but sooooo much work and mat cost.
94 BB Sleeved gen IV LS7, MS3ProU with TC, RONIN 8.8 and LT's with custom 3.5"single to VAREX muffler.

Offline digitalsolo

Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #544 on: November 17, 2024, 05:20:02 PM »
So, my existing axles are 47mm (1.5") too short.   I built a new mockup axle (out of my old mockup axle) and tried a 2" increase and it could JUST bottom out if I extended the suspension about 1.5" below real max droop.   So I cut it down to 1.5" and the suspension movement binds in droop before the axle bottoms out (about 1/4" of depth left) and ran it up way past where the wheel would hit the inner fender (and shock would bottom out) and it can't come close to ejecto-halfshaft-cuz status.

I'm going to tear the passenger side apart and test fit it as well.  The transmission is centered, and the distances are the same, so this should be unnecessary, but at 1200 dollars a shot, I'd like to not build another "test set"...
Blake MF'ing McBride
1988 Mazda RX7 - Turbo LS1/T56/ProEFI/8.8/Not Slow...   sold.
1965 Mustang Coupe - TT Coyote, TR6060, modern brakes/suspension...
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Gen V LT4/TR6060, upper/lower pullies, headers, tune.
2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance - Stock...ish.

Offline shainiac

Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #545 on: November 18, 2024, 07:59:31 AM »
Progress! Hopefully you can get a little test drive before the roads get salty.

How did you order the axles? Did you need a spec'd-out drawing with spline fit callouts and tolerances, or was it as easy as just calling out the make, model, and length?
'88 TII -  Rods/Pistons LS3, Twin G30-770s, MaxxECU Pro/PDM
BMW DCT Swap, Ronin 8.8" IRS

Offline digitalsolo

Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #546 on: November 18, 2024, 12:04:18 PM »
I have a local place that does custom axles.   I just dropped the stuff off and they called me when it was done.

Now I get to go back and see if they still have the CAD drawings, haha.
Blake MF'ing McBride
1988 Mazda RX7 - Turbo LS1/T56/ProEFI/8.8/Not Slow...   sold.
1965 Mustang Coupe - TT Coyote, TR6060, modern brakes/suspension...
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Gen V LT4/TR6060, upper/lower pullies, headers, tune.
2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance - Stock...ish.

Offline digitalsolo

Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #547 on: November 24, 2024, 03:37:34 PM »
Glad I checked each side separately.

The transmission appears to be offset to the passenger side just under 1/4", which means the optimal length of the halfshafts is about 3/8" different side to side.  I absolutely could split the different and run the same size on each.   The droop that would bottom the "short side" can't happen with the suspension together and the "long side" would not come out.  But, I mean, I'm ordering custom axles, and I can make them "perfect" so perfect it is.

For reference the "long side" is actually 1.425" too short and the "short side" is 1.100" too short.   So I'll have another set of axles made to those dimensions.

In the "stuff I can't explain yet" the Aston CVs were really stiff when I put them together.  The driver side still was when I removed it, and it is mocked up (but has no grease, so not shocking).   The passenger side is much less stiff.  Weird.  I've not torn it apart to see.   To be clear, they run VERY smooth when installed, regardless of side.  Maybe the passenger side seated better?  It's all OEM parts on that side, so we shall see.   Learning IRS axles as I go here...  :P
Blake MF'ing McBride
1988 Mazda RX7 - Turbo LS1/T56/ProEFI/8.8/Not Slow...   sold.
1965 Mustang Coupe - TT Coyote, TR6060, modern brakes/suspension...
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Gen V LT4/TR6060, upper/lower pullies, headers, tune.
2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance - Stock...ish.

Offline Exidous

Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #548 on: November 25, 2024, 04:50:22 AM »
Usually if it's super stiff to the point of being nearly locked the bearing inner race is off by one bearing. Not sure about kinda stiff.
94 BB Sleeved gen IV LS7, MS3ProU with TC, RONIN 8.8 and LT's with custom 3.5"single to VAREX muffler.

Offline digitalsolo

Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #549 on: November 25, 2024, 11:02:23 AM »
Oh yeah, I've put it together "wrong" and it locks up totally straight.   This definitely moves, and is smooth, just stiff.  Think "new ball joints" vs. "used ball joints" difference between them.
Blake MF'ing McBride
1988 Mazda RX7 - Turbo LS1/T56/ProEFI/8.8/Not Slow...   sold.
1965 Mustang Coupe - TT Coyote, TR6060, modern brakes/suspension...
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Gen V LT4/TR6060, upper/lower pullies, headers, tune.
2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance - Stock...ish.

Offline digitalsolo

Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #550 on: November 30, 2024, 09:23:47 AM »
Dropped off the axles to the shop, again. They were sympathetic to my stupidity and didn't make fun of me.  :P

In other news, I'm building a new harness for the 2JZ Camaro I built a couple years ago (we're having electronic issues after the engine was rebuilt and we suspect something was damaged in the harness).  Since I don't want to do a 3rd harness in that car, we're going all tezel/raychem stuff (not a fully sealed harness, but a high end one anyway).   Since I'm buying materials for that, I'm going to do the same on the Aston, which means the drivetrain needs to come back out this winter.   That's fine overall as there are a few things I'd like to take care of (weld up a hole and coat the valve covers, etc.).

Plan is this:
1.  Recover fluids (since they're brand new)
2.  Drop drivetrain
3.  Build a new engine harness with some updates to routing.   The existing OEM harness ends up tight against the firewall where I have VERY little space, so if I'm redoing it, I'm going to move some things around.  It will be concentric twisted tezfel wire, so it should be drastically smaller also.
4.  Tear OEM harness out of the front of the chassis, clean up unused wiring.   There is a bunch of wiring in the chassis that isn't needed anymore.  If I'm redoing some of the wiring, I might as well redo all of the wiring.
5.  Weld up old breather hole in passenger valvecover, paint valvecovers black.   I might still do aftermarket covers, but we'll see.
6.  Re-evaluate A/C hose routing.
7.  Re-evaluate power steering pressure hose routing.
8.  Design/print/install hose brackets to manage all of the many, many hoses in the car.
9.  Reconsidering my fuel pump module.  I might just go to a high voltage full time system and kill the PWM OEM controller.   Haven't decided yet.
Blake MF'ing McBride
1988 Mazda RX7 - Turbo LS1/T56/ProEFI/8.8/Not Slow...   sold.
1965 Mustang Coupe - TT Coyote, TR6060, modern brakes/suspension...
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Gen V LT4/TR6060, upper/lower pullies, headers, tune.
2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance - Stock...ish.

Offline digitalsolo

Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #551 on: November 30, 2024, 02:58:30 PM »
I have to drop the drivetrain for this other stuff, so I might as well put some +30% injectors in it.  I'd like to run E85 in the car to help cool things down and I don't like methanol injection, so...
Blake MF'ing McBride
1988 Mazda RX7 - Turbo LS1/T56/ProEFI/8.8/Not Slow...   sold.
1965 Mustang Coupe - TT Coyote, TR6060, modern brakes/suspension...
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Gen V LT4/TR6060, upper/lower pullies, headers, tune.
2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance - Stock...ish.

Offline digitalsolo

Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #552 on: December 01, 2024, 03:26:48 PM »
So, on the assumption train (all aboard the assumption train!), I had another one to test today.

The drivetrain combo in my car is a little weird, because I have an early(ish) LT4 (2016) with a total bastardization of rear drivetrain (C6 bellhousing, late C5/early C6 torque tube, late C6 Grand Sport transmission and diff).   This ended this way because I wanted a TR6060 not T56 trans and the stronger Z06/Grand Sport diff and gearing.  The bellhousing and torque tube came from a guy that damaged his torque tube and bought a built one, but he had a first year C6 which apparently had a C5 style torque tube?  I dunno, but my torque tube and bellhousing didn't match and I had to build a spacer to get the stack up right.   I could not do a C7 transmission as the 7 speed is >1" longer and I don't have that kind of room to spare in the back of the car.

Annnnyway, long story short the C7 ECU expects a hall effect (3 wire) speed sensor for VSS.  The C6 has a VR (2 wire) sensor.  They make a setup to put a hall effect on a C6 diff (technically it's for the side of a T56, but it could be made to work), but it's about 2" longer than the stock sensor, and I have about 1/16" of clearance (it's a 10 minute job to plug in the damn sensor, I'm going to address that this winter) between the sensor and the trunk floor.

So, I need to put a VR sensor on an ECU that wants a hall effect.  Here's where assumption comes in.  GM sells an LT4 crate motor with control pack.  This control pack, which is also an E92 ECU of the same generation as mine, has an input for a 2 wire VSS.  This is on a different pin which is unused on the Corvette ECU.  So I wired it up to that.   Unsurprisingly I didn't get speed readout on the ECU when I drove the car.  Not optimal.  But then the question was this:  Is this a tune setting, a segment swap, or an entirely different OS required (and if the latter, what else does that impact).   I downloaded a crate motor tune, did a compare and found a setting (TOS, aka Transmission Output Speed, hardware).  Changed that to match the crate motor and tested.

Works!   Speed is WAY low, I put it in 6th (I have no axles just stub shafts right now) and spun it up and it showed like 19 MPH, but it does increase in speed proportionally to output shaft RPM, so I should just need to adjust the pules per mile until it lines up.   This is great news as otherwise I was going to have to use the hall input and build a VR -> Hall setup and mess about with all of that which is a PITA.

About time I had a victory.   I also have my updated CAN gateway in and validated that all functions now work properly.   Tach, speedo and temp read from the GM ECU correctly and update on the dash in real time, control of the engine start button status/enable is correct, and dash "wake up" and control of the ABS and TCS lights work.  Victory.

I also played with the idle tuning a bit to try and get it happier.  It's not happy yet, but it's much less angry, so that's a good start.   The big goal is everything is generally working now, before I rip it apart to build the new wiring harness and put the high flow GDI injectors in.  I do need to decide if I want to snag a high output GDI pump and port the blower/throttle body while it's apart, but honestly I'm not sure that ~800 RWHP is better than ~700 RWHP in this car, or at least not sure it's worth $4k, anyway.
Blake MF'ing McBride
1988 Mazda RX7 - Turbo LS1/T56/ProEFI/8.8/Not Slow...   sold.
1965 Mustang Coupe - TT Coyote, TR6060, modern brakes/suspension...
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Gen V LT4/TR6060, upper/lower pullies, headers, tune.
2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance - Stock...ish.

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Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #553 on: December 02, 2024, 11:27:19 AM »
I haven't been on my computer in over a week.  Lot of updates there.   I was in Auburn for Thanksgiving but didn't have time to make it into FT. Wayne.  I need to redo my body harness on my FD in the spring I am not looking forward to that.  I will likely try to go Milspec as I work in Aerospace and might be able to get some help from guys at work on that.
1995 RX-7 Voodoo Blue- LS3, TR6060: Full Feed wide body, 57DR 18's, K-Sport coil-overs, 99 spec\ tails and Carbon Fiber spoiler, SpeedHut Gauges, Aeromotive fuel system, TwinZ Diffuser, Texas Speed LS3 Stage 2 v2 Cam Kit, Comp Cam's Rockers, McLeod Racing 6405507M RXT Street Twin Clutch kit, ATI-1918628 - Super Damper/balancer, Lot's of other stuff.
2010 Cadillac Escalade: Daily Driver and pulls my 18' car hauler

Offline digitalsolo

Re: Aston Martin V8 Vantage
« Reply #554 on: December 03, 2024, 11:20:32 AM »
Biggest advice I can say on doing racespec/milspec harness stuff is plan.  Then plan some more.  If you're going fully sealed, run extra connectors all other place that you might want later.  It's very, very sad if you need to make changes.  Once you're assembling, test everything 10x.  Modifying a sealed connector SUCKS.  :)

My new harness won't be fully sealed, since I'm connecting to a stock ECU, but will be all mil-spec wiring and Raychem heat shrink, with all of the joints/ends epoxy sealed/stress relieved.  Basically as good as it makes sense to make an OEM replacement harness that doesn't have a standalone on it.

FWIW, my wiring/shrink/pins to build this harness are about $1000 USD in materials.   A TXL/braided sleeve harness would be about 300 for the same build.
Blake MF'ing McBride
1988 Mazda RX7 - Turbo LS1/T56/ProEFI/8.8/Not Slow...   sold.
1965 Mustang Coupe - TT Coyote, TR6060, modern brakes/suspension...
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Gen V LT4/TR6060, upper/lower pullies, headers, tune.
2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance - Stock...ish.