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Offline W.tungsten

Second chance at life as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« on: April 04, 2018, 03:39:05 PM »
Hey all, I felt like it was about time I contribute to this forum. The site has lots of good information and has helped me work through plenty of issues. Anyway I'll get to it. I bought this car quite spontaneously. It was July 2014, I already had two other cars, but this was too good of a deal. It was a salvaged car that had been in an accident. Insurance totaled it, but the damage wasn't significant. A buddy alerted me of the ad on Wednesday, by Friday I was driving out to Tennessee to pick it up. Over the 4 years I've been able to slowly get it to a point I'm happy with it. This thing is going to be a slow process and a labor of love. I'm not worried about resale (roll cage ruined that as well as the salvage title)

In it's prime in a past life. A very well sorted car that fetched a premium.
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Offline W.tungsten

Re: Second chance as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2018, 03:53:39 PM »
Year 1 into ownership just getting the thing ready for registration and inspection. Had to get body panels etc, prove the car wasn't stolen essentially. Got it running after some troubleshooting with the fuel pressure regulator and spark plugs and wires.

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After getting the car titled and registered, I had Mike from Detroit Drifting Co install a roll cage. He did an amazing job and we planned out the layout together as the FD is already an extremely tight cabin. It's funny I'm only 5'10" and I hit my head on the roof without a helmet and no cage... trying to cram a cage and helmet in there was going to be a challenge. Lowering the seat could only do so much. Luckily he did an awesome job just running it as tight as possible to the headliner.

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Wrapped the replacement panels silver to try and match temporarily. I also took it to a few events and it was a true struggle. No powersteering and a lack of steering angle modifications were hard to drive around.

Offline W.tungsten

Re: Second chance as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2018, 04:07:45 PM »
Year 2

Did the knuckle modifications, hydraulic hand brake and rear toe links. Just typical drifting modifications. Hit a few more events with much better success. Still no powersteering, but I was just teaching myself to drive around it.

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Offline W.tungsten

Re: Second chance as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2018, 04:20:53 PM »
Year 3

So I was really struggling with the car just driving like it had a mind of its own. Very inconsistent. Sometimes it would just countersteer too much and shoot me off the track. It was baffling me. For a while I just thought it was the lack of powersteering. It turns out the hinson subframe was splitting at the welds causing the front wheels to just compliance steer willy-nilly  :o  After I welded that up it drove much much better. During the winter I had the car wrapped blue and tried a few other exterior accents.

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Actually had to get a different part of the subframe welded again! Don't ever use a Hinson subframe! Bogger welds on the outside was the repair from last time.

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Offline W.tungsten

Re: Second chance as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2018, 04:45:33 PM »
Year 4,

Here's how it sits now. A few more aftermarket exterior touches. An AutoExe wing replica from Japan, and some carbon winglets up front along with color matching the lip. I should've color matched the lip from the start. I have some replica 99 spec skirts in urethane, but they're just too short. I'd get OEM ones if they weren't made out of that weird foam. If nothing changes I'm happy I like the look currently.

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In parallel I've worked through many of the details, like powersteering is now working, all the gauges work. I seized up an engine last year in June and had to swap back to a mostly stock LS1. I kept the fast intake and NW throttle body. When I swapped I did some engine tuning with HP tuners which was a great learning experience and honestly a ton of fun. One of the best experiences with the car is the summer I spent time street driving it to tune the car in. I added in a little flair with exhaust pops and burbles which can be a bit excessive, but you can prevent them by driving below 2000rpm if you're trying to be stealthy.

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So what's next...

Short term: I've got to install some Feal 441 coilovers to replace my 10+ year old Teins which currently bottom out on the rear bumpstops on basically everything. Really looking forward to seeing if there's a big ride and handling improvement.

Long term: probably work through making this car drive closer to my preferences. It feels like the steering effort doesn't build enough when I'm driving through a corner. It also counter steers while drifting a little too aggressively. After doing a kinematic model of the suspension (rough measurements) it seems like there's not much caster and I have too much scrub. It'd take custom arms or offset bushings to get more caster and wheels with higher offset +30 or +38 instead of +12 up front. I want to try these things out and feel the difference. No matter what right now I can drive this decently and tandeming with other people isn't too bad. I'd like to be able to get comfortable enough with the car that it never surprises me and I can throw down at any course I show up to. Right now that's not happening.

Even longer term: Also I'm probably pretty different than most members here. I actually love rotaries, I just can't afford one. Maybe one day if this engine has an issue a naturally aspirated 3 rotor would replace it... I guess then I'd have to quit this forum though  ::) it's honestly just a pipe dream.

Offline freeskier7791

Re: Second chance at life as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2018, 09:13:12 PM »
Welcome, I have seen your car before in final bout coverage.  Nice to hear the story behind it.  You ever come to any east coast events?

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Offline danny33

Re: Second chance at life as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2018, 10:31:23 PM »
Love this car. At gridlife in Michigan (2015 I think) you and I left at about the same time and rolled together for miles, always wondered where exactly you were at in Michigan since I had seen the car through finalbout coverage. IK all the PBM angle stuff is really expensive but their new FD kit would probably help out a lot. Have you ever talked to the Villains drift guys to see what they run on the FD? Keep us updated!!

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Re: Second chance at life as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2018, 07:15:18 AM »
cool story!  I wish I would have taken more photos of my car in the early days.   I like that color of the wrap!
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Offline ls3_rob

Re: Second chance at life as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2018, 09:46:31 AM »
Isn't there another blue fd in breaking that still has the rotary?
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Offline W.tungsten

Re: Second chance at life as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2018, 10:10:14 AM »
Love this car. At gridlife in Michigan (2015 I think) you and I left at about the same time and rolled together for miles, always wondered where exactly you were at in Michigan since I had seen the car through finalbout coverage. IK all the PBM angle stuff is really expensive but their new FD kit would probably help out a lot. Have you ever talked to the Villains drift guys to see what they run on the FD? Keep us updated!!

Yeah I'm in Ann Arbor, so Gingerman is pretty close. It's funny how Gridlife brings us all out of the woodwork. I talk to Scott from Villians a lot, but I guess I haven't talked to him about his front end setup. I'll do that and see what he says. I've been chatting with other FD guys (Ilia, Bianski) and I don't think this is swap specific.

Welcome, I have seen your car before in final bout coverage.  Nice to hear the story behind it.  You ever come to any east coast events?

I used to, but it's been a while. I think I'd like to get back to Englishtown sometime this year, but it might not happen until 2019.

Isn't there another blue fd in breaking that still has the rotary?

Yup Derek Bianski is the original blue FD in breaking. There are going to be quite a few soon  :)

cool story!  I wish I would have taken more photos of my car in the early days.   I like that color of the wrap!

Yeah I love going back through archives, reminds me how far the car has come. The wrap is 3M blue raspberry if I remember correctly, it's a great color although it get's lighter when it's stretched so beware!

Offline digitalsolo

Re: Second chance at life as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2018, 10:26:03 AM »
Nice car!   I know Derek Bianski and Derek King;   was confused at first when I saw this car in those colors!   LOL.   Welcome!
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Offline W.tungsten

Re: Second chance at life as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2018, 07:30:35 PM »
Oh sweet ^ I'll be in FW this weekend.... if the weather clears up at least. Going to bring this thing down too.

I installed a set of FEAL 441 coilovers and it's been a mixed bag. If you want the whole story I made this post on RX7club
https://www.rx7club.com/suspension-wheels-tires-brakes-20/feal-suspension-441-coilover-review-fd3s-1125184/#post12266871

Long story short, the kit doesn't seem to have good attention to detail on the fitment/install side. The first driving impressions were good though. I only street drove on some terrible Michigan roads and I was honestly surprised at how well they rode. I'm trying to figure out where/how to do a dynamic evaluation for limit behavior.

I was also able to take a look at the suspension without the springs/dampers on. I did a really really really crude bumpsteer study and kinda eye balled things like caster and steering inclination axis. It does indeed look like there's very very little caster trail and some scrub. This would lead to the complaints many people have not just V8 FD3S drivers have with the steering: There's just not enough feedback. I'm now really unsure of how to add more caster besides a new lower control arm. I'm slightly concerned tilting the the whole knuckle by moving the bottom point forward will have adverse effects, but I guess I'll try it and find out later in the year.

Offline freeskier7791

Re: Second chance at life as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2018, 09:35:46 PM »
Is there no way to adjust caster at the strut tower?

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Offline DDv8

Re: Second chance at life as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2018, 11:14:27 PM »
Is there no way to adjust caster at the strut tower?

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PO   I'll assume your eccentrics are maxed out.

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Offline freeskier7791

Re: Second chance at life as a drift car - Team Breaking LS FD
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2018, 06:33:10 AM »
Oops!  Arent the arms aluminum too?

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