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Offline sciff5

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #330 on: July 12, 2018, 10:30:10 PM »
"Video Category: Comedy"

Did they not have a "tragedy" option?

What a mess.   You going to just spray it yourself with paint, or try another shop/option?

I don't know man.... I need to step away from it for a while for sure... I'm getting the sense the car is actually cursed, so I'm not kidding I might have it blessed. I really wish that was a joke, but I don't want to get rid of it.
I'm thinking the orange I'm going after is so particular and difficult I'm worried that the chances are very high that if anyone else does it, they'll miss the mark, and if you miss the mark a bit on this color it would look terrible.

That being said I can't imagine what else I'd paint it.
I did look at the Viper Stryker Orange as well which does have a Paint code we could get a hold of, but at 15K from the factory, even though most of that is labor, I'm sure the materials are at least several thousand alone. Not the type of paint you want to screw up and have to do twice.

Stryker orange:



The other color was carndy burnt orange from suzuki. thi one is pretty cheap at least:



Those are the only other orange options I found, open to ideas on other colors

Offline digitalsolo

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #331 on: July 12, 2018, 10:32:07 PM »
You can leave it in primer and just beat the hell out of it at the racetrack.   It won't be shiny, but it'll sure as shit be fun.
Blake MF'ing McBride
1988 Mazda RX7 - Turbo LS1/T56/ProEFI/8.8/Not Slow...   sold.
1965 Mustang Coupe - TT Coyote, TR6060, modern brakes/suspension...
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Gen V LT4/TR6060, upper/lower pullies, headers, tune.
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Offline sciff5

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #332 on: July 12, 2018, 10:35:11 PM »
You can leave it in primer and just beat the hell out of it at the racetrack.   It won't be shiny, but it'll sure as shit be fun.

I was actually enjoying the shit out of with no bodywork on it. It feels noticibly heavier/slower with the bodywork back on. Like it's a mid/low 12 sec car with  the car in full trim and prob a low 12/ high 11 sec car stripped. I could be totally wrong with those times, but it was noticible

Offline wickedrx7

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #333 on: July 12, 2018, 10:54:57 PM »
Personally I would wait for awhile before you do final paint. Fiberglass tends to move and show things after several heat cycles. It would suck to put more money and effort and have things “pop” in a few months. My vote now is either leave in primer like Blake said or go buy some plastidip and spray it yourself for $500 to get you through the summer.

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Offline freeskier7791

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #334 on: July 13, 2018, 08:05:55 AM »
gray primer would look cool for the summer...
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Offline kinger

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #335 on: July 13, 2018, 05:39:55 PM »
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Offline sciff5

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #336 on: July 13, 2018, 11:16:34 PM »
Time for plasti-dip!  https://www.dipyourcar.com/products/magma-orange-car-kit

You're kidding right?

Tonight mad some lemonade from lemons. Loosly bolted at least the major panels on the car tonight for cars and coffee tomorrow.

Offline frijolee

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #337 on: July 15, 2018, 03:33:33 AM »
Well, you've certainly convinced me to never try a removable paint job (or really anything not absolutely 100% proven regarding paint).  What a PITA.  I don't have much advice other than acknowledgement that it's OK to throw it on jack stands and walk away for a while.  You can drive it and get some enjoyment that way, but if it were me, it would bug me that I'd fallen short of the mark I had in my head, so eventually I'd be sanding it all back down to bare glass and having a pro do a more traditional paint job.  Part of the reason I paid a pro to paint my rx7 was that my self done paint job had a weak primer stage that took rock chips easier than it should have.  I did everything by the book as best I could but it still wasn't quite right.  I had them sand through everything I'd done when I had it reshot.  Sucked, but after a few years of living with it as "okay" i was ready to spend some more $$$ on it.

In the grand scheme of life, getting burned for a few $k in bad paint isn't nearly a gnarly as a kid with cancer or any of a 1000 other catastrophes that some folks live through.  That may or may not be a helpful observation but it's true.  I don't think law suits or other legal deals are viable.  The painter dude acted in good faith and put in a hell of a lot of work.  He probably has mouths to feed as well and regardless you just end up with painter and manufacturer pointing at each other.  Eventually they would probably point back at you too (some sort of prep, use of sharpies etc).  Just not worth it.  Let it go and move on.  Hug your family, or your girl, or your grandma and be thankful that your challenges are that of a sticky restoration on a vehicle that 90% of the world couldn't afford in the first place.

Last thought, since too much adhesion seems to be the problem rather than too little, have you already looked into a wrap?   That's at least a known layer of known thickness, in a consistent and known color.

Good luck!
-Joel
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Offline Cobranut

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #338 on: July 15, 2018, 11:09:48 AM »
I'm considering a wrap for my racecar once the body is prepared and primed.
I think the cost is about the same, once the cost of numbers and graphics are included.
The wrap itself should be cheaper than paint, and if stored indoors should last a long time.
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Offline sciff5

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #339 on: July 15, 2018, 11:45:22 AM »
I'm considering a wrap for my racecar once the body is prepared and primed.
I think the cost is about the same, once the cost of numbers and graphics are included.
The wrap itself should be cheaper than paint, and if stored indoors should last a long time.

Just paint it, seriously it would be cheaper and easier. If I end up bringing the car back to factory black which is a 2 stage non metallic paint job (AKA you spray it black and if you screw up like getting runs in it or there's dust in it or splatter or whatever, you just send that crap out, and as long as it's still black when you;re done sanding it flat, you just spray clear coat over it and it turns the surface into glass smooth. If you get runs or dust in the clear coat, again you can just sand it out, but you would just need to polish it to make it look shiney again), and if you go too far sanding it, again unless you go all the way through the black to the primer, you just throw more coats of clear on it untill you get it just right. This way you can learn as you go. Starting with primer which you could literally paint on with a brush if you didn't care abuot how long that would take to sand smooth, to basecoat which takes more work, to clear which is hard, but still fixable.

This will last 10x longer, look better, you can do it cheaper yourself with a harbor freight HVLP gun. As you may notice my FIRST ever panel I shot with that harbor freight gun was smoother in primer than the majority of what this guy painted. It's a race car, you don't need to spend 1000 dollars in primer like I did. Some of the low end (but still professional qualty) primer will outlast the car if applied right.

Also while I hope I've shown the dangers of this type of removable coating, vinyl wrap is really no better. That shit can get baked on the car and EASILY be just as difficult to remove, same with those clear bras, they can like partially melt into the clear coat of a car and turn into a plastic rubbery goo which is dangerous to attack with solvents, and fucking IMPOSSIBLE to sand because it'll just ball up. So yeah think about spending easily 100 hours getting that stuff off, plus if you're doing it yourself you'll find it technically very difficult.
I wrapped that rear wing in carbon 1080 before the show, just so it wasn't primer white. It was VERY difficult. It takes the sort of touch/feel that you can only gain by doing it many times. Painting a car really doesn't take much feel. Have the right equipment, be super anal retentive about the details and basically more time = better result (take it as far as you want) and thats it.

Now looking back, regular paint is a removable coating too. Compared to these other products and their supposed "removability" it makes paint stripper and 80 grit sand paper on a standard paint job look pretty "removable"


Well, you've certainly convinced me to never try a removable paint job (or really anything not absolutely 100% proven regarding paint).  What a PITA.  I don't have much advice other than acknowledgement that it's OK to throw it on jack stands and walk away for a while.  You can drive it and get some enjoyment that way, but if it were me, it would bug me that I'd fallen short of the mark I had in my head, so eventually I'd be sanding it all back down to bare glass and having a pro do a more traditional paint job.  Part of the reason I paid a pro to paint my rx7 was that my self done paint job had a weak primer stage that took rock chips easier than it should have.  I did everything by the book as best I could but it still wasn't quite right.  I had them sand through everything I'd done when I had it reshot.  Sucked, but after a few years of living with it as "okay" i was ready to spend some more $$$ on it.

In the grand scheme of life, getting burned for a few $k in bad paint isn't nearly a gnarly as a kid with cancer or any of a 1000 other catastrophes that some folks live through.  That may or may not be a helpful observation but it's true.  I don't think law suits or other legal deals are viable.  The painter dude acted in good faith and put in a hell of a lot of work.  He probably has mouths to feed as well and regardless you just end up with painter and manufacturer pointing at each other.  Eventually they would probably point back at you too (some sort of prep, use of sharpies etc).  Just not worth it.  Let it go and move on.  Hug your family, or your girl, or your grandma and be thankful that your challenges are that of a sticky restoration on a vehicle that 90% of the world couldn't afford in the first place.

Last thought, since too much adhesion seems to be the problem rather than too little, have you already looked into a wrap?   That's at least a known layer of known thickness, in a consistent and known color.

Good luck!
-Joel


I'm going to drive it. It bothers me that I can't figure out what I'm going to do with it and after a year can't seem to come up with a good solution, but that never stops me from rocking it. I drove the car when it was still cracked up. I drove it in primer, and I even brought it to 2 cars and coffee with absolutely no body panels on it. And thats the thing you know... people loved it when it was in go kart mode, and I actually liked it a lot better. It was faster and more nimble.

Like I said in my reply above if I end up going back to a simple 2 stage paint, I'll do it myself. If it's tri stage, or just has pearl/candy in it. I think I'm out of my league, because you can't just turn to sandpaper to fix your small mistakes. Small mistakes mean you have to strip it and start over, and for nothing else given what's happened, I don't have the patience for that any more.

I hear you about the comparison to real life catastrophies and I understand. As for the course forward though I think I still want to give this guy the ability to fix this without going the legal route, but I spoke to a couple body shops, and they actually suggested it. They said what if he comes to your house, uses a solvent which starts to affect the fiberglass, and a month later the panels start to get wavy and soft (some solvents deff are NOT ok to use on fiberglass, and the manufacturer won't give us the OK to use their topcoat remover on fiberglass btw).
Other shops are also saying that it'll be tens to hundreds of hours to remove, this guy thinks it'll take 1 long day with the both of us...

So what I'm getting at, is this guy's perspective seems to clash with reality, and based on his previous work here... I don't know if I should trust the guy touching the car further. In fact I have a pretty clear case right now against him and his employer, to give this car over to a professional shop to remove and send him the bill. I don't want to do that for obvious reasons, but by workign with him I open myself up to the possibility (as small as it may be) of him causing further damage to the car, and then I basically have ZERO recourse because I was there helping him do it, or I at least OK'd it.

If a shop takes on the job and totals the car, that's what insurance is for...

So yeah I need to figure out what I'm going to do... I couldn't swallow the concept of the car being totalled, without insurance, but the alternative would be very ugly too.
I've actually been looking for opinions from other car guys on this decision because it's really difficult

« Last Edit: July 15, 2018, 11:59:03 AM by sciff5 »

Offline sciff5

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #340 on: July 15, 2018, 11:30:35 PM »
An example of the removability of standard paint which makes most of these removable options irrelevant:


This vid btw is just a more extreme version of normal body work. You can see where the hundreds of hours go.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2018, 11:40:10 PM by sciff5 »

Offline sciff5

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #341 on: July 16, 2018, 10:11:14 AM »
BTW just found another color option. The Mclaren Volcano orange doesn't release paint codes, and I believe even if we sourced it, it was something along the lines of $1,000 a quart is what we heard through the grape vine.
Stryker Orange from the viper has a paint code we can find, but @ 15K from the factory optional paint, I haven't even looked into the price of materials, because I figure it's nearly as ludicrous.

After searching for nearly a year I seem to still not have turned over every stone on this, and I found a new color that seems very similar to Volcano orange and it's aptly named....Lava orange metallic and was a pretty rare option on the BMW bikes, has a paint code, and it looks like I can source the paint, and if it needs to be matched down the line a different shop can work on it because it's not some crazy candy job, thoughts?


Offline digitalsolo

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #342 on: July 16, 2018, 10:55:48 AM »
Color looks awfully close, I'm sure it'd look great.
Blake MF'ing McBride
1988 Mazda RX7 - Turbo LS1/T56/ProEFI/8.8/Not Slow...   sold.
1965 Mustang Coupe - TT Coyote, TR6060, modern brakes/suspension...
2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage - Gen V LT4/TR6060, upper/lower pullies, headers, tune.
2021 Tesla Model 3 Performance - Stock...ish.

Offline sciff5

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #343 on: July 22, 2018, 11:25:14 AM »
So I think I already told you guys this car might be cursed and I don't think anyone took me seriously.
Well, I went on a cruise yesterday from the boston area to Cape cod (about an hour drive without traffic)

This was invite only, and about 200 exotic cars. It was by police escort the entire way, and the big dollar cars at the front of the pack were running a strong pace that was hard to keep up with without weaving through traffic and trying hard to keep up.
I know in our smaller slower group towards the back we were pushing doing a lot of 80-100 with bursts to 120-140, we actually had a pretty serious pucker moment as we came up on traffic that was stopped dead stopped at one of our fastest paces. Myself, a ferarri, an s2000, a corvette and a 991 porsche all made a stop from 140-0 successfully, thank god but the smell of brakes was very real.


I guess I naively didn't expect speeds like that and while I didn't think the car was really ready for that, I felt mechanically, I'd been driving the car all summer and felt it would go, stop and steer as consistently as ever, but when we left the show, we hopped back on the hgihway quickly to visit my wife's family the next town over. After hours of high speed driving, I take the last corner, to go into town, and I start hearing a thunk thunk thunk (that varies with speed, not rpm) I thought I had a flat, thats the best way to describe it, but I'm doing 20 mph so if you had the radio up you wouldn't have even heard it, and I didn't feel anything particularly different at that speed.

So I pull over (in the middle of down town) and I try to reverse into a spot. The car binds when I put it in reverse as if the parking brake is on. So I hop out. Look at the rear wheel and see it's tucked more than usual. I look through the spokes of the wheel and I see axle grease everywhere and then I see it.... the top ball joint is completely seperated from the spindle.


That nut could have come off before the cruise even started and I could have been driving that whole time with nothing more than friction holding that ball joint in place. I'm 100% sure both my wife and I would be dead if that had failed on the highway.

Fancy cars get a lot more attention when they're being loaded on a trailer in the middle of town:







What the wheel looked like after backing it off the trailer:







I don't know what happened to these threads, but the tow truck driver during our hour plus ride home asked me a good question. He said did you forget to put the cotter pin back in.... and I thought for a second.... and I'm like yeah that's right there's cotter pins on ball joints but I don't remember there being one on this car. And low and behold, these cars dont have cotter pins. Just a nylock nut which obviously wasn't enough in this case. Suffice to say I should be dead, along with my wife, and I'll be drilling all of these ball joints and adding cotter pins just to be sure, plus I think it makes sense to actually bring this car to the dealer spend for an hour or 2 of labor and just have them double check my work. before final reasembly.


Offline wickedrx7

Re: Finally Got A New Toy To Replace The RX7
« Reply #344 on: July 22, 2018, 12:56:54 PM »
Holy hell dude... that is one of the scariest things I’ve seen in awhile. Mainly after the high speed stuff. And all I have to say is wtf to not have a castle on there from the factory. Time to go buy safety wire and a bunch of drill bits and get to work....

Glad you didn’t get hurt...

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