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Offline Esser

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #480 on: October 11, 2022, 01:43:34 PM »
Nice, sounds like it's going to workout better in the end!

Offline shainiac

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #481 on: November 08, 2022, 11:40:16 AM »
I got everything back from the machine shop with a clean bill of heath and all of my parts have showed up.

Here's the rundown on everything

LS3 block, new from Chevy Performance, but had flash rust that needed cleaned up.
Summit LS Pro 4.070" +12cc pistons, ~9.5:1 CR (had Wiseco PNs on wrist pins and clips lol)
Gen5 LT4 rods
Stock 58X crank
Stock LS3 heads/valves/rockers
BTR Platinum dual springs
ARP2000 head bolts
LS9 head gaskets
Gen5 LT lifters (takeoffs)
TSP "Stage 2 LS3 Twin Turbo" cam (225/234 115LSA)

I had the block honed 0.005" over, decks surfaced, line honed, ring gaps set, bearing clearances checked, rotating assembly balanced.
All of the bearings and rings were spec'd for 5w30 and pump gas at maybe 700wtq. It should be a pretty reliable setup I hope.

I think the only parts I still need are a LS3 intake manifold and whatever I end up choosing for a harmonic balancer. Since I'm ditching hydro PS, I'll need a new accessory bracket, which gives me the option to switch from F-body to Corvette spacing.
Is there any downside to using Corvette balancer spacing on an FC?



'88 TII -  Rods/Pistons LS3, Twin G30-770s, MaxxECU Pro/PDM
BMW DCT Swap, Ronin 8.8" IRS

Offline shainiac

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #482 on: November 28, 2022, 08:33:17 AM »
I'm pretty much done building my LS3. Heads are assembled and on. The only things remaining are to check pushrod length, install rockers/pushrods, and install oil pump and pan.
My current pan is an Fbody pan modified for oil drains and with an Improved Racing baffle. I may sell that with the turbo kit, but not quite sure yet.
The new turbo kit will be very similar and have similar drains, so it'd probably save myself time and money to keep it, but may make selling the turbo kit more difficult.

The DCT guys in Poland sent me a tiny PCB to hopefully improve noise on the DCT speed signals. Turns out it's just a tiny voltage regulator (which came soldered on backwards...) and some pull-up resistors.
From what I was told, the DCT sensors are 2-wire Active sensors and depending on peoples individual setups, sometimes the signal voltage is lower than OEM and the GCU interprets the signal as noisy.
After installing (and modifying) their PCB, NO MORE EMI! The guys at HTG spent several hours remote logged into my laptop and helping troubleshoot and setup Closed Loop tuning.
The closed-loop shifting was pretty impressive. There are some adaptation steps needed at the beginning of setup, but the car learns to shift better and better as you drive the car.
Within 10 minutes, the 1-2 shift was better than I'd ever been able to tune it. I had HTG set up the shift tables to be pretty slow, since I have a heavy rotating assembly and 25# flywheel.
After a couple hundred street miles, I think it can definitely be quickened up. Overall shift feel and speed is much more "OEM" than my DIY tune. My tune had a lot more kick to it, which made it feel more like a sequential than an auto.
Still no road salt here in CT, so I'm continuing to drive the car whenever the weather is nice (less and less often :( ) I haven't decided when I'll pull the 5.3 and EFRs, but probably mid-Dec. unless the weather takes a turn before then. Even with traction control, road temps below 60F are pretty sketchy.

















'88 TII -  Rods/Pistons LS3, Twin G30-770s, MaxxECU Pro/PDM
BMW DCT Swap, Ronin 8.8" IRS

Offline FC3S Murray

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #483 on: December 07, 2022, 07:41:07 AM »
Nice update! Glad to read the EMI is gone.




13 years of abuse and still running STRONG!

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Offline Exidous

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #484 on: December 07, 2022, 01:46:41 PM »
It's still there, they just raised the trigger level beyond what it was seeing prior. It's just hidden now. HA
94 BB Sleeved gen IV LS7, MS3ProU with TC, RONIN 8.8 and LT's with custom 3.5"single to VAREX muffler.

Offline shainiac

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #485 on: December 07, 2022, 02:41:46 PM »
The way it was explained to me, the issue isn't actually EMI in the traditional sense. There was no external voltage causing a spike to be counted as a false trigger, it's that the trigger voltage sometimes wasn't high enough for the GCU to count every tooth. Their fix was to add pullup resistors to pull the line up to the voltage the GCU was expecting to see.

Since adding the pullup PCB, the VSS from the GCU is also much cleaner. Before, I'd get VSS spikes high and low, which would nuke the traction control. If it saw a spike up during a pull, wheel slip might got to 200% and the ECU would yank all of the cylinders and immediately add it back (since VSS was literally a spike). The TC still needs dialing in, but it's much more useable now. I even played around with it in the rain and it keeps the car from just immediately going to redline.

Looks like it's supposed to snow this weekend, so probably the official end of the season. I need to take some walkaround videos of the engine and turbo setup before I pull everything for sale.
'88 TII -  Rods/Pistons LS3, Twin G30-770s, MaxxECU Pro/PDM
BMW DCT Swap, Ronin 8.8" IRS

Offline shainiac

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #486 on: January 04, 2023, 08:09:36 AM »
I finally removed the 5.3L and EFR setup out of the car over the holiday break. I'll get everything cleaned up and listed for sale soon.

Here's a list of everything that'll be for sale soon. If there's anything y'all are interested in, PM me here.

  • SBE LC9, BTR dual springs, mild cam, pushrods, ARP head bolts - happy to pull rod/main caps for photos of bearings
  • EFR 6758 twin turbo kit with real Tial MVRs, all plumbing and downpipes, Fbody oil pan, Improved Racing baffle, full exhaust if anyone wants to pick it up
  • LS6 intake manifold (no rails or injectors)
  • Full accessory drive (minus alt.), 'Sweet' aluminum Nascar PS pump and lines for FC rack
  • Probably more depending on what works with the new turbo kit










'88 TII -  Rods/Pistons LS3, Twin G30-770s, MaxxECU Pro/PDM
BMW DCT Swap, Ronin 8.8" IRS

Offline shainiac

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #487 on: January 16, 2023, 08:01:54 AM »
I got started on the new turbo kit this weekend. The G30-770 housings are a little larger and I wasn't quite as aggressive trimming the manifolds, but they look good so far.
They might sit a little lower than my previous kit. Hopefully I don't have issues gravity draining.

The manifolds/housings didn't want to weld with 308L feed wire. I'd get a stitch on one side of the manifold and as soon as I'd start on the other side, the weld would crack right down the middle. I was using a propane torch for pre-heat. Ended up welding them with ER70S and they welded okay. I'm not sure what stainless alloy the manifolds are and that's probably not the correct filler, but hopefully they'll be fine.


I also drilled out the heat shield mounting bosses in the manifolds for thermocouples. It ends up putting the TC right by the exhaust port. Cyl #5/6 don't have bosses, so I'm going to slash cut some NPT unions and weld them to the manifolds. Not sure how tedious that'll be.









'88 TII -  Rods/Pistons LS3, Twin G30-770s, MaxxECU Pro/PDM
BMW DCT Swap, Ronin 8.8" IRS

Offline digitalsolo

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #488 on: January 16, 2023, 05:34:46 PM »
That's really slick on the thermocouple layout!
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Offline Esser

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #489 on: January 17, 2023, 12:28:04 PM »
Wow very clean and compact, which manifolds are those?

Offline shainiac

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #490 on: January 17, 2023, 12:41:06 PM »
Wow very clean and compact, which manifolds are those?

They're 5th Gen Camaro ZL1 manifolds. I used them on my last setup also. They're cast stainless steel. Tough to cut/modify, but they weld nice and don't rust.

Looking at older photos of my previous setup, these definitely will sit lower. I think it's partially because the housings are larger, so centerline of turbine is lower, but also I'm not chopping as much of the manifolds back to prioritize flow. I'm a little worried clearance around the rack may be tight(er). A friend recommended using a small spacer between the subframe and body similar to JZ swap kits. This would exacerbate the worsened roll center of a lowered car, but I have some plans to address this also.

Spacing the subframe would also allow me to use the inexpensive knock-off Holley swap pans, which I've been told foul the steering rack where the pan is bumped out for crank clearance. Zbrown showed me some photos where he had to notch his pan to fit.

I ordered tight CLR SCH10 2" 90s and straights to start mocking up the wastegates also. In the past, I used the same OD PVC pipe to easily grind/notch the fitup and transfer whatever ended up working out to the stainless pipe. We'll see if that works again :)
'88 TII -  Rods/Pistons LS3, Twin G30-770s, MaxxECU Pro/PDM
BMW DCT Swap, Ronin 8.8" IRS

Offline freeskier7791

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #491 on: January 17, 2023, 04:10:31 PM »
Try some supermissle rod on the other side if you haven't welded it yet.  It is stainless with a high nickel content and is helpful for welding cast to non cast steel.  The weld ends up being more ductile as well
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Offline shainiac

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #492 on: January 17, 2023, 04:15:17 PM »
Do you have a link? All Google is bringing up is arc welding stick, not TIG feed.
'88 TII -  Rods/Pistons LS3, Twin G30-770s, MaxxECU Pro/PDM
BMW DCT Swap, Ronin 8.8" IRS

Offline freeskier7791

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #493 on: January 17, 2023, 04:26:19 PM »
Do you have a link? All Google is bringing up is arc welding stick, not TIG feed.

If you have a local welding supply place they should have it, could also be called high nickel rod or maintenance rod

https://www.airgas.com/product/Welding-Products/Filler-Metal/TIG-Rod-(GTAW)/TIG-Rod---Maintenance-Alloy/p/HAR03SMW60
https://www.youtube.com/thedriftingdad
1985 Mazda RX7 GSL Drift Car

CCVT

Offline Esser

Re: Ten Pounds of Shit in a Five Pound Bag - Twin Turbo 5.3 Daily Driver Build
« Reply #494 on: January 17, 2023, 07:04:33 PM »
I'm honestly surprised the previous setup gravity drained okay. Where do you plan to tap these back into the pan at?