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Offline sciff5

LS1 Porsche 911
« on: October 19, 2015, 05:36:44 PM »
Hey Guys,

Looking for any feedback on 911s as a whole.
Seems like anything 964 and older is now collectible and thus too expensive. Leaving the 993 and 996s actually quite affordable. Insanely they can be had for 10k running.

What brought this all about was a conversation on a Sun afternoon cruise with the fiance. She likes older porsches and so do I. She saw a 930 (think 80s vintage) convertible and said you can't put the Ls1 in an old porsche can you. She said lets do that, I'd get behind that.

The thing is the old porches are too much, and had too many handling quirks, and I bet the 996s are falling apart by now creating one mean money pit, and I've never really been a fan of the look of those cars (especially the interior). Plus after reading up on them it sounds like they like to push in the corners, and are slow to change directions without serious suspension work. Everything I don't want from my next project car. I'd much rather have the thrilling experience with slightly lower limits if I had to choose. (think Miata philosophy)

From all the feedback I've heard it sounds like the Boxster is actually a better option, based on that tossability I'm looking for plus they're convertibles. They can be had and swapped for almost the exact same price as the 911s. Which means I could probably get a closer end result to what I'm looking for but then I'd be driving a Boxster... and the finance probably wouldn't get too excited about a boxster either.

So fun Vs. prestige/keeping the woman happy.

Offline Grommit

Re: LS1 Porsche 911
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2015, 12:33:03 PM »
http://www.renegadehybrids.com/

My next swap will either be a Boxter S or 996.

A Boxter is still a P-car...and if you're going for prestige you wouldnt be swapping it anyways. Who cares about the snooty semantics, seriously.

Get a failed IMS bearing 996 for cheap, swap and LS in it and call it a day.

Renegade does make kits for the older cars as well, but those come with higher premiums due to collector status of course.

Why not just get a Turbo 996 and be happy?
Or hell a Cayman for that matter?
Its a pretty well known quote but even the techs at the dealership I work at (Porsche branch not mine) all say to buy the newest Porsche you can afford.
Just food for thought.
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Offline crash

Re: LS1 Porsche 911
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2015, 10:53:23 PM »
A couple of things to consider...

1)  Have you seriously taken a look into what it cost to own a Porsche?  Like, spent time on the forums, etc?   Later model year porsches are prone to stupidity like door locking mechanisms that fail around 60k that then throw CEL's "because-German", failed sensors, clutch accumulators that go out every <10k miles, tail lights crack by design and need replaced, etc etc.  What I'm really saying is these aren't Hondas and they arent even problem prone FD's. The mechanicals of the Mezger are solid, most of the rest of the car is more problem prone than it should be.  Most of those areas wouldnt change with an LS swap, you'd be replacing the one piece thats solid.

2) Have you taken a look into what it cost to MODIFY a Porsche?  This is the killer if you are used to FD parts cost.  "Cheap" coilovers are $2k, moderate $2800, high end as much as you want to spend.  Clutches seem to start around 1500, brakes expensive, GT2 body mods seem to start around 3k for a bumper, etc.  The aftermarket parts are priced very much relative to the $135k car is was new


I mention 1) and 2) above because I went in glossy eyed with blinders on.  I can afford it because it honestly just means I pay normal people car maintenance cost (even though I am doing labor myself) but as my wife will attest I bitch about it a lot...


3) If you are still interested in a 911,  seriously why not get a 996 Turbo for ~38-42k and call it a day?  996TT with 30-60k are available for high 30's low 40's with a little bit of looking.  My DD is a 2001 996TT with ~60k miles on it. Its a pretty fun car, but overwhelmingly expensive to modify.  Its *nearly* as fast as my 400rwhp LS1 FD, but AWD so gets off the line much easier.  With a $900 Cobb tune it would likely be faster than my LS/FD in a straight line.  Its certainly tons more comfortable for longer drives, and right now is quiet exhaust wise. (Its stock)  My car friends tell me its "grown-up fast" compared to my FD which is obviously loud, looks "tuner-ish" and "juvenile", etc.  (I say that with the utmost respect and admiration for my FD as I honestly like it BETTER than the 996TT, but the 996 is clearly the better driver and more "acceptable" at business meetings)

Just sayin, don't discount the engine already in the 911TT. The mezger is no slouch and (if you care to spend the money on clutches, turbos, etc) easy to get numbers north of 600AWHP

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Edit: Felt the unnecessary need to post a picture of the 996 :D
« Last Edit: October 20, 2015, 11:01:30 PM by crash »

Offline Timeless

Re: LS1 Porsche 911
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2015, 10:00:37 AM »
I looked into this (Boxter S) also at some point.  Unfortunately they did not make a tilt steering wheel till the 2005 came out which means it can be very uncomfortable for taller individuals.
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Offline gnx7

Re: LS1 Porsche 911
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2015, 12:25:40 AM »
when a rebuild on a Porsche transmission probably starts at $5K if something breaks.... that may be something to ponder. 
As stated these cars are not cheap to own even if you could do most of the work yourself. 

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Offline mattster03

Re: LS1 Porsche 911
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2015, 12:40:50 AM »
It just has never seemed like a very good physical fit to me... but I can't say I have any actual evidence to support this.
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Offline sciff5

Re: LS1 Porsche 911
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2015, 12:44:56 AM »
Ok you guys are helping me with my decision.
So do boxsters also have major maintenance issues/costs?

Offline Spec C

Re: LS1 Porsche 911
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2015, 02:14:39 AM »
I had a mint 996 tt chassis, fully built HKE heads cam ls7, paid for renegade kit, speartech harness,  ready to swap in when renegade told me the only way they'd sell me the kit is if I shipped the car to them, paid them to mock up the motor in my car  etc. I told them if they wanted to use  my chassis to test fit it should be on their dime not mine.

At that point I abandoned the whole project and sold them the car. The whole thing pissed me off because I spoke to them before I bought the chassis and they said it wouldn't be an issue in a turbo chassis. Everything would fit etc.

After that I decided to just pick up a Pcar and leave the Mezger in. Couldn't be happier.

 


Offline digitalsolo

Re: LS1 Porsche 911
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2015, 08:50:59 PM »
Damn that's pretty.
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Offline Mik3ymomo

Re: LS1 Porsche 911
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2015, 09:34:20 PM »
Thanks for sharing the story about Renegade. I was considering doing a Porsche swap and using their kit.
On the other hand, the 997 looks better in my opinion. I drove one and almost pulled the trigger but it left me wanting. Felt too disconnected compared to the FD.
I've since talked to plenty of Pcar guys who mod the Turbos and gave tips about getting it to where I would like it more. It entails considerable GT3 parts. So I started looking at GT3's and those are just too much money for me.

The 997 is the last of the manual trans turbos and the buy-in is tempting. It's crazy how much everything from exhausts/clutches to tunes are for them. Makes me feel like it's just out of my comfort zone.

Maybe one day when I grow up.
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Offline Spec C

Re: LS1 Porsche 911
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2015, 10:53:16 PM »
Damn that's pretty.
Thanks!
Thanks for sharing the story about Renegade. I was considering doing a Porsche swap and using their kit.
On the other hand, the 997 looks better in my opinion. I drove one and almost pulled the trigger but it left me wanting. Felt too disconnected compared to the FD.
I've since talked to plenty of Pcar guys who mod the Turbos and gave tips about getting it to where I would like it more. It entails considerable GT3 parts. So I started looking at GT3's and those are just too much money for me.

The 997 is the last of the manual trans turbos and the buy-in is tempting. It's crazy how much everything from exhausts/clutches to tunes are for them. Makes me feel like it's just out of my comfort zone.

Maybe one day when I grow up.


Honestly, things are coming down. There are companies starting to  break away from the "Porsche tax" norm. Kline makes a good exhaust for $2200-$2500, Silly Rabbit Motorsports makes some killer intercoolers for Sub 2k. Clutches for sub 700wtq aren't bad at $1500 or so.  Cobb acessport I got for $1400.  Sure not cheap but a far cry from the $5k exhausts, and $3-$4k canned reflashes, of years past.  You can find cars with basic bolt ons exhaust/tune/coilovers for no more than stock counterparts so that would save some coin there.

My car is on Bilstein pss10 suspension, with H&R sway bar, and it feels pretty damn good. Swapped th GT3 shifter to the numeric racing, and it feels awesome as well. 

A 911 turbo has been one of my dream cars since I was a kid. No regrets. It is the first car I have owned in a long time I wouldn't sell if someone made an offer on it(unless it was just ridiculous.lol)

That said I would love another FD or something more tuner ish to go with it. Starting to look for something nice.