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Offline frijolee

Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #420 on: April 11, 2014, 02:20:38 PM »
My PCM and sensor is the same, but the block, crank, reluctor wheel, and damper all all new.  Sounds like a good idea.  Thanks for the tip.
LS2 stroker FC, Mandeville big brakes, widebody, etc
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Offline scuter83

Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #421 on: April 11, 2014, 02:24:48 PM »
I "think" someone with HP Tuners can come over and request a CASE learn for you.  If not, the dealer can do it with a Tech2.

Offline gc3

Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #422 on: April 11, 2014, 03:03:51 PM »
I "think" someone with HP Tuners can come over and request a CASE learn for you.  If not, the dealer can do it with a Tech2.
yes, hptuners can do it no problem

Offline V8-rx7

Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #423 on: April 12, 2014, 05:24:04 AM »
Joel if you want to try a CASE learn I'll bring by my scanner on Sunday.
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Offline largeorangefont

Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #424 on: April 12, 2014, 09:57:37 AM »
Yep I or you can do it with HP tuners.
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Offline frijolee

Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #425 on: April 24, 2014, 03:00:33 AM »
Spark plugs are all black and smell like fuel.

Compression ratio was nice and steady across the board though.  Using starter only with a trickle charger hooked up to keep the voltage steady, it had a low of 199 psi, high of 214 psi.  Most in low 200's which seems plenty healthy.

Running rich is at least safe so at least I can drive her while I get the rest sorted.
LS2 stroker FC, Mandeville big brakes, widebody, etc
Build thread:  http://www.norotors.com/index.php?topic=1274.0
www.roninspeedworks.com

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Offline frijolee

Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #426 on: May 18, 2014, 02:44:20 AM »
Pardon me while I go back to revisit a few things I didn't write down at the time.  Still, when you get a car running it's such an awesome feeling that you kinda want to skip to the end and let folks know it happened...

That said, half of the reason I wrote / am writing this thread is to document things for myself so I can remember the lessons learned for the next job.  This one's fairly straight forward, just an exhaust build... but it took forever to get it done how I wanted.

So I'd built a bitching set of headers a while back right?  I’m picking up where that left off.

Ran stainless screws on the merges per Jack Burn’s suggestion:




Left myself just enough space for the 02 bungs.  (No pic of the bung but exhaust bungs aren’t that exciting anyways).




Here’s one key lesson learned:  The type of V-bands I was using (Deed’s Engineering) have keys to maintain precise alignment.  I think the OBX bands and a few others do this too.  Cool right?




Turns out welding will deform keyed v-bands just enough that they won’t key together anymore…  Note to self, if there’s any way to do so, ALWAYS weld up the V-bands with a mating part clamped to it to help keep it from moving on ya.  I have probably 2-3 hours with a dremel grinding and fitting and grinding and fitting to get these to key back together like they’re supposed to.




So header’s were finally done done done and installed.  Now I’m building the rest.  I’m a big fan of 1:1 printed paper doll studies to work out geometry.  Here’s my x-pipe study.




I debated a little bit over how much overlap to run on the crossover.   Ended up calling Jeff Jordan and rapping theory with him for while.  Good stuff...  At the end of the day, I decided to aim each upstream pipe almost at the from the fork downstream so 2/3 of the flow would continue down the pipe it came from and 1/3 could cross over.  It seems like companies making good power (American Racing, LG, Kooks, etc) tend to not do a full cross and I could see why I might not want to have a significant reduction in area.

So now to make it a reality.  Started by coming off the headers at angles kinda where it wanted to be to split the difference between trans tunnel and transmission.




I’m still quite stoked on the Ronin trans mount.  This is a dual 3” exhaust and it packages nicer than my old Grannies setup did with 2.5 duals.




Key thing I did for getting the alignment right for the X-pipe was setting up a guide string.  No idea if this is common in industry but it made sense to me as a reference of where I wanted to land and what was going to be required to take two random angles off the headers (at unequal distances from my x-pipe) and get them to land straight and true.






I built passenger first but you can see how I need two angles on the driver’s side to keep everything tangent. 



X-pipe was 15” downstream of the collectors.  I’m a big fan of David Vizard’s book “How to Build Horsepower”  and recommends 10-20” as a ballpark collector length, albeit he typically does the whole pressure wave termination box thing, which I decided not to. 

Jack Burns (of Burns Stainless) just says to run them as close to the merges as you can get.  This seemed to land pretty well regardless of whose advice I was following.

Before I fully committed and welded the X-pipe I started the muffler end to have a better idea what I was aiming for.  I only own 8 jack stands and the car was on 4 of them so I had to get a little creative to get everything shimmed in place.   No, I didn’t tell my wife I borrowed the camera tri pod. 




Mufflers are Vibrant TPV 1090’s.  http://vibrantperformance.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1022_1031_1052&products_id=1165

One of the key lessons I picked up from the Vizard book I mentioned was in regards to sizing exhaust via flow rather than pipe size.  Key rules of thumb:

1)   You need 2.2 cfm of flow per engine horsepower if you want to be near “loss less”.
2)   A straight pipe flows 115 cfm (at exhaust pressures) per inch of cross sectional area.
3)   A straight through perf core muffler flows about 55-60% of a smooth straight pipe at equivalent pressure.

Note that last rule isn’t Vizard’s but that what I found in studying and crunching numbers on what muffler flow data I was able to find online.  He does discuss running bigger muffler cores than the rest of the piping which is really the key point.

Brass tacks.  These are 4” core mufflers.  You can reach your whole arm in the tip, which isn’t really a tip since there’s no change in diameter to the inside.  These sound ---ummmm--- healthy?  :yay:




By the way, if you have the means… Backpurge all your stuff!   I don’t have said means, but I’m a still a dork, so I went back in and ground off all the “sugaring” on the inside wherever I could. 




Here’s the mid section, starting to look like something.  That last weld (see sharpie mark on the right) was hard because you can’t get a torch all the way in there.   About 1" of tungsten stickout later and you can officially color me impressed at what a gas lens can do to help a torch.




These are the weld  that matter, when you tie the front to the back you’ve committed to where the muffler’s land so this was one I spend a great deal of time on and was somewhat challenging to get right.  FWIW I wouldn’t even attempt to do this job without a big disc sander.  You’ll be using that a lot to trim angles a 1/32" here and there.






And here we are back under the car.  Ronin 8.8 peeking out, makes me happy.




Mid section is nice and straight and centered.




Left about 1/4" clearance to the subframe since my car is relatively low.  Nice shot of the Ronin 8.8’s front mount as well.




Smooth tapers for the upsized mufflers.  Wanted to keep flow as smooth as I could.




Last but not least I thought I show of some comparison of my slowly improving TIG skills.  I still suck  at feeding so I start and stop more than I should but at I’m learning to compensate.  Here’s a couple welds at the beginning of the project.




Compared to that about halfway through the job.




Did just about everything on the bench with a small vice as a support V to keep things from rolling.



All hangers were built after the fact using 3/8” pencil rod.  If you heat up the rod (propane torch, map gas if you have it) you can bend it reasonably nicely with a hammer and vise.  I used a hodge podge of worm screw hose clamps to hold them to the body of the muffler to tack them in place under the car.  All welds critical to fit were tacked like that, less critical ones I just marked orientation and tacked on the bench prior to fit check.

Not doing this with a lift I think had me climbing back and forth under my car ~200 times, by the time it was all done.  Still, it lands perfect and I learned a ton.  Feels good to do things yourself.
LS2 stroker FC, Mandeville big brakes, widebody, etc
Build thread:  http://www.norotors.com/index.php?topic=1274.0
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Offline AKINA FC

Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #427 on: May 19, 2014, 11:28:43 AM »
That is outstanding Joel! Perfect.
I keep debating on building a set of stainless headers and exhaust for mine but looking at your car makes me want to do it even more now. That just looks awesome. :cheers:

Offline largeorangefont

Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #428 on: May 19, 2014, 03:58:30 PM »
I can vouch that this thing sounds MEAN with this exhaust and the new engine. Joel has me contemplating new axle backs for my car too :)

Great work Joel.
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Offline N2v8fcs

Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #429 on: May 19, 2014, 05:43:09 PM »
Nice!
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Offline frijolee

Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #430 on: May 20, 2014, 07:38:25 AM »
Thanks guys. I've had more dudes stop me and ask "what's in that thing" in a couple weeks driving this than I did in a couple years driving the old setup. It makes me laugh and I dig it, but I do wonder if it'll get me more attention from Johnny Law than I'm really looking for (People's Republic of Kalifornia and all that)...

Weird getting old where your ability to say F it and just go be a hellion starts to wane .
LS2 stroker FC, Mandeville big brakes, widebody, etc
Build thread:  http://www.norotors.com/index.php?topic=1274.0
www.roninspeedworks.com

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Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #431 on: May 20, 2014, 03:39:32 PM »
Thanks guys. I've had more dudes stop me and ask "what's in that thing" in a couple weeks driving this than I did in a couple years driving the old setup. It makes me laugh and I dig it, but I do wonder if it'll get me more attention from Johnny Law than I'm really looking for (People's Republic of Kalifornia and all that)...

Weird getting old where your ability to say F it and just go be a hellion starts to wane .

I never get tired of people stopping me to ask what's under the hood haha.  When cops ask I just tell them it's smog legal, worked so far!

As far as being a hellion, there will always be a younger, better looking crop of dudes to do just that   :wave:    :yay:

I'm about to take mine to get lunch haha

Offline halfspec

Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #432 on: May 22, 2014, 05:20:28 PM »
I'll be interested to see what your thoughts are on the Anti Venom mod. I contemplated doing it last year but soon got used to the feel of the stiff T56 after a complete rebuild. After taking a few months off of driving it and jumping in yesterday, I'm reminded how stiff it really is and am thinking about it again. Worth getting her up on the jackstands?

Lane

Offline frijolee

Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #433 on: May 22, 2014, 06:52:52 PM »
I'll be interested to see what your thoughts are on the Anti Venom mod. I contemplated doing it last year but soon got used to the feel of the stiff T56 after a complete rebuild. After taking a few months off of driving it and jumping in yesterday, I'm reminded how stiff it really is and am thinking about it again. Worth getting her up on the jackstands?

Lane


I think it's worth doing if it's out, but probably not otherwise.  It's still a stiff notchy trans and I'm still capable of blowing the 2-3 shift under power.  The last time this happened by clutch stuck to the floor momentarily so it could be related to hydraulics too.

I need a bit more drive time in anger to have a better feel for things, but thus far the anti-venom is "ok" but not a game changer.  I'd really like to try driving a TR6060 at some point to see if the feel is any better and/or whether that might make sense as an upgrade whenever I hit the point of where my trans wants a rebuild. 

-Joel
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Re: Joel's LS1 FC parts list/swap thread (remixed)
« Reply #434 on: May 22, 2014, 09:09:31 PM »
I'd really like to try driving a TR6060 at some point to see if the feel is any better and/or whether that might make sense as an upgrade whenever I hit the point of where my trans wants a rebuild. 
-Joel

Come on up, the car just sits around all day ;)  Still has Hankook VentusTD's on it from the weekend too.  :yay: