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Offline largeorangefont

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #525 on: July 17, 2015, 12:16:32 AM »
Yea that new engine should be adequate...

Great news on the car, I'm glad you are getting it dialed in.. I feel like I'm falling behind now  :yay:
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Offline AKINA FC

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #526 on: July 20, 2015, 12:16:31 PM »
Yea that new engine should be adequate...

Great news on the car, I'm glad you are getting it dialed in.. I feel like I'm falling behind now  :yay:

Thanks Ash. Yours is looking pretty good though. I really need to keep pulling and reducing weight as you are ton lighter than me, hopefully its a lot closer now with all the stuff i have removed and changing back to a aluminum block, that lsx weighed 525lbs as a long block :( Im going to wait till winter to do the major revamp though, pretty much everything is coming out of the car and the cage is getting finished.

Offline MPbdy

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #527 on: July 20, 2015, 12:42:20 PM »
Very nice looking engine!  I love engine parts :D  Can't wait to build my next one whenever that might be.  Interesting choice on the short stroke based on what you say your goals are. 

What is your cam choice and power goals?  I'd say your powerband estimates are short by at least 500 rpm depending on cam selection.

I have a stock displacement ls3 with ported heads and a victor JR single plane with a 239/251@50, .625 lift, and 110+2 centers and it peaked power at 7400 rpm.  Didn't take it any higher as the rotating assembly is still stock.

I think the new fast 102 with the medium or even short length runners would be a fantastic choice for your new powerplant!

Offline largeorangefont

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #528 on: July 20, 2015, 03:03:41 PM »

Thanks Ash. Yours is looking pretty good though. I really need to keep pulling and reducing weight as you are ton lighter than me, hopefully its a lot closer now with all the stuff i have removed and changing back to a aluminum block, that lsx weighed 525lbs as a long block :( Im going to wait till winter to do the major revamp though, pretty much everything is coming out of the car and the cage is getting finished.

The car is going to handle great after you get that extra weight off the front end. I'm pretty happy with my overall speed now and adding another 50 WHP or so to the top end will really help after I add the aero. The larger tires seem to compliment my power and weight nicely. I was overpowering the 255s before. I can wait to see your cage.

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Offline AKINA FC

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #529 on: July 20, 2015, 04:57:28 PM »
Very nice looking engine!  I love engine parts :D  Can't wait to build my next one whenever that might be.  Interesting choice on the short stroke based on what you say your goals are. 

What is your cam choice and power goals?  I'd say your powerband estimates are short by at least 500 rpm depending on cam selection.

I have a stock displacement ls3 with ported heads and a victor JR single plane with a 239/251@50, .625 lift, and 110+2 centers and it peaked power at 7400 rpm.  Didn't take it any higher as the rotating assembly is still stock.

I think the new fast 102 with the medium or even short length runners would be a fantastic choice for your new powerplant!

Im glad you chimed in on this as its nice to have some insight from experience with other cam/engine packages.
I need somewhere around 500 rwhp for my class, give or take some as I have ballast to work with and my plan to remove a lot more weight from the car. My cam is actually pretty close to yours - 237/252@.050  .600/.600  111+4, ramp rate is not real aggressive either. Is yours a solid roller or hydraulic roller? With mine only being 331ci it should rpm well, albeit the stock intake will be my limiting factor as most with the stock intake peak about 7k that i have seen. I went with the shorter stroke/displacment to limit myself power wise and move the peak torque up.
My first choice intake wise is that new adjustable fast 102 but CPG says it won't be available until next year, I like the idea of playing with the runners and my electronic throttle controls. I can fit a holly single plane and 4150 throttle body with filter under my scoop so that is a thought as well but I loose the dbw which I dont want. So I figure see what it does and if I'm not happy make adjustments from there.

Offline AKINA FC

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #530 on: July 20, 2015, 05:17:25 PM »
The car is going to handle great after you get that extra weight off the front end. I'm pretty happy with my overall speed now and adding another 50 WHP or so to the top end will really help after I add the aero. The larger tires seem to compliment my power and weight nicely. I was overpowering the 255s before. I can wait to see your cage.

Im excited to see what it feels like again as I have had that weight up front for so long, should be a fairly drastic change i think with how far the car has come.
I bet those new tires really changed the car, aero will be just as big of a jump. I'm planning on changing rear wings and going a little bigger as well as tying into the cage/frame this time plus going bigger on the front splitter as well as tying that into the front edge of the fenders. Should make a decent improvement in aero.

Offline MPbdy

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #531 on: July 20, 2015, 05:44:08 PM »
Very nice looking engine!  I love engine parts :D  Can't wait to build my next one whenever that might be.  Interesting choice on the short stroke based on what you say your goals are. 

What is your cam choice and power goals?  I'd say your powerband estimates are short by at least 500 rpm depending on cam selection.

I have a stock displacement ls3 with ported heads and a victor JR single plane with a 239/251@50, .625 lift, and 110+2 centers and it peaked power at 7400 rpm.  Didn't take it any higher as the rotating assembly is still stock.

I think the new fast 102 with the medium or even short length runners would be a fantastic choice for your new powerplant!

Im glad you chimed in on this as its nice to have some insight from experience with other cam/engine packages.
I need somewhere around 500 rwhp for my class, give or take some as I have ballast to work with and my plan to remove a lot more weight from the car. My cam is actually pretty close to yours - 237/252@.050  .600/.600  111+4, ramp rate is not real aggressive either. Is yours a solid roller or hydraulic roller? With mine only being 331ci it should rpm well, albeit the stock intake will be my limiting factor as most with the stock intake peak about 7k that i have seen. I went with the shorter stroke/displacment to limit myself power wise and move the peak torque up.
My first choice intake wise is that new adjustable fast 102 but CPG says it won't be available until next year, I like the idea of playing with the runners and my electronic throttle controls. I can fit a holly single plane and 4150 throttle body with filter under my scoop so that is a thought as well but I loose the dbw which I dont want. So I figure see what it does and if I'm not happy make adjustments from there.

The cam is a comp hydraulic roller.  They're not super aggressive lobes either.  The lobes are the older LSR family.  It would be absurd fun with a 6 speed in a street car.
                 
I think you should be able to make 500whp no problem with a good intake on it.  The stock intake may hold you back a little.  I made 528whp through an auto with a high stall converter (although only about 3-4% slip), mufflers, and with a throttle stop under the carb that I know robs a little power from restriction.

What compression will you be running?  My engine is only 10.4:1.

This is a very cool combination.  I am tire limited on my drag car and we really want to build a de-stroked ls7 for it for the same reasons.  4.125 bore with a stock 3.625" stroke crank.  Don't want any more torque in the car, but want another 100ish horsepower out of it.  Would only gain about 11 cubes from a stock displacement ls3.

Being a 331 it's going to want the rpm's with that much cylinder head on top.  I think it will make good power, but essentially be clipped on the top as you run into airflow restriction.  Power should hold flat until it starts to fall off at higher rpm.  Not necessarily a bad thing!  When you can get a short runner intake on there it'll really scream!  Should be a blast!!  You're going to love it.

A good set of custom headers tuned for your powerband would be the next thing I'd look at.

Offline AKINA FC

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #532 on: July 20, 2015, 06:42:34 PM »
Very nice looking engine!  I love engine parts :D  Can't wait to build my next one whenever that might be.  Interesting choice on the short stroke based on what you say your goals are. 

What is your cam choice and power goals?  I'd say your powerband estimates are short by at least 500 rpm depending on cam selection.

I have a stock displacement ls3 with ported heads and a victor JR single plane with a 239/251@50, .625 lift, and 110+2 centers and it peaked power at 7400 rpm.  Didn't take it any higher as the rotating assembly is still stock.

I think the new fast 102 with the medium or even short length runners would be a fantastic choice for your new powerplant!

Im glad you chimed in on this as its nice to have some insight from experience with other cam/engine packages.
I need somewhere around 500 rwhp for my class, give or take some as I have ballast to work with and my plan to remove a lot more weight from the car. My cam is actually pretty close to yours - 237/252@.050  .600/.600  111+4, ramp rate is not real aggressive either. Is yours a solid roller or hydraulic roller? With mine only being 331ci it should rpm well, albeit the stock intake will be my limiting factor as most with the stock intake peak about 7k that i have seen. I went with the shorter stroke/displacment to limit myself power wise and move the peak torque up.
My first choice intake wise is that new adjustable fast 102 but CPG says it won't be available until next year, I like the idea of playing with the runners and my electronic throttle controls. I can fit a holly single plane and 4150 throttle body with filter under my scoop so that is a thought as well but I loose the dbw which I dont want. So I figure see what it does and if I'm not happy make adjustments from there.

The cam is a comp hydraulic roller.  They're not super aggressive lobes either.  The lobes are the older LSR family.  It would be absurd fun with a 6 speed in a street car.
                 
I think you should be able to make 500whp no problem with a good intake on it.  The stock intake may hold you back a little.  I made 528whp through an auto with a high stall converter (although only about 3-4% slip), mufflers, and with a throttle stop under the carb that I know robs a little power from restriction.

What compression will you be running?  My engine is only 10.4:1.

This is a very cool combination.  I am tire limited on my drag car and we really want to build a de-stroked ls7 for it for the same reasons.  4.125 bore with a stock 3.625" stroke crank.  Don't want any more torque in the car, but want another 100ish horsepower out of it.  Would only gain about 11 cubes from a stock displacement ls3.

Being a 331 it's going to want the rpm's with that much cylinder head on top.  I think it will make good power, but essentially be clipped on the top as you run into airflow restriction.  Power should hold flat until it starts to fall off at higher rpm.  Not necessarily a bad thing!  When you can get a short runner intake on there it'll really scream!  Should be a blast!!  You're going to love it.

A good set of custom headers tuned for your powerband would be the next thing I'd look at.

I originally wanted to go ls7 block/heads and the same 3.375 stroke i have in this one but figured I would end up like 600+hp and just put myself back into the unlimited class, which i did not want. I hope you build it so I can see what it makes haha.
Your current engine is revving pretty good for a hydraulic setup, i am impressed it peaked that high not being a solid roller. What top end do you have if I may ask?
This motor on paper ends up almost 13-1, figured I would make use of the E90 we have around here as thats what i have been running for a few years now under boost with great luck. I am really hoping that it does have a nice fat and flat curve up top as I am trying to not make it peaky. I hope to have it running this weekend, fingers crossed i don't get pulled away from it again.

Offline MPbdy

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #533 on: July 20, 2015, 07:34:02 PM »
Yeah it's got the ceramic ball lifters from the CTS-V road race program, good pushrods, comp dual springs, and mega heavy manley SS valves.  The heads are L92 castings CNC ported by Lingenfelter that Nick helped me get the hookup on.  The intake is port a matched Victor JR with a Holley 750.

I'm trying to track down the dyno sheet and I can't find it in my email.  Edit - found it :D  The chip is set at 7400 on this pull.  Would love to know what the curve looks like out to 7700 or so.

http://i.imgur.com/vSUHW0Q.png



I've gone 10.29@130.25 in a 3200 pound malibu wagon, so it's making some steam!
« Last Edit: July 20, 2015, 07:41:50 PM by Daniel »

Offline Exidous

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #534 on: July 22, 2015, 04:40:18 AM »
I think you need ITB's lol. Would allow you to run a properly sized horn to "detune" and allow it to carry higher. Midrange would be fantastic with that motor.
94 BB Sleeved gen IV LS7, MS3ProU with TC, RONIN 8.8 and LT's with custom 3.5"single to VAREX muffler.

Offline AKINA FC

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #535 on: July 22, 2015, 11:57:00 AM »
I think you need ITB's lol. Would allow you to run a properly sized horn to "detune" and allow it to carry higher. Midrange would be fantastic with that motor.
Haha yeah that would be cool and has crossed my mind as I sold the ITB setup i had which was the inglese setup, reason being for the electronics toys i wanted and the inglese is cable only. I have been looking at the harrop setup as its dbw but damn 4k is a lot of money for that.

Here is a small update as i did some more wiring last night.





next up to finish the interior connections and loom the entire harness

Offline AKINA FC

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #536 on: July 28, 2015, 05:24:23 PM »
So far things are going good with the new motor. It is installed and running, just a rough tune for now as Ill dial it in later this week when i have a chance. Have a few odds and ends to finish up before the next race as well.
Video doesn't do it justice as it seems to blow out my phone, just sounds muffled. Idles at 1000 and has some serious lope to it, whole car shifts side to side haha, responds to throttle extremely quickly. So far its exactly what i wanted. i'll get some vids of it after i get it dialed in.




IDLE VID  https://youtu.be/Rx53cgeOpMY
« Last Edit: July 28, 2015, 05:55:12 PM by AKINA FC »

Offline MPbdy

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #537 on: July 28, 2015, 05:48:09 PM »
Yayyyyyyy :D

Offline largeorangefont

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #538 on: July 28, 2015, 10:14:35 PM »
Giggidy!!!! Congrats Erik, that gonna be a monster.
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Offline frijolee

Re: Akina's build
« Reply #539 on: July 29, 2015, 12:50:23 PM »
Congrats Erik, lighting off a new engine is always such a great day.  You guys continue making me jealous.  My car's been lonely for too long.
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