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Offline WannaBeFast

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Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #345 on: June 02, 2014, 08:59:58 PM »
Super clean for sure.

Offline AKINA FC

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #346 on: June 13, 2014, 05:58:08 PM »
Thanks guys!

Got it up and running, rough tune was good enough to run it in on jack stands for 20 minutes, no leaks but the new billet water pump pulley I pressed on walked right off the shaft when i whacked the throttle, by shear luck I shut it off at the same time my friend seen it come off, so no major damage done thankfully. Serp belt did jump off the ps pump and cut into the ps pump tank. Second time this has happend so I made a shield for it out of aluminum the exact shape of the tank, epoxied it to the front and painted it flat black. If it happens again it will have to go through 1/4 plate first :) Bought a new water pump and welded on the steel pulley it comes with so it wont happen again.
Car runs awesome, still breaking it in as I only got to drive it for a few hours last sunday night. New trans is fantastic, leaps and bounds above the old t56 - the t56 is crap compared to one of these, I am still in amazement as to how great it shifts. Only small problem I had with it was the vss went bad and I had to get a new sensor for it.
New fuel system works perfect other than the pump resonates really bad in the car - sounds like a blender in a 55 gallon drum - i need to take a video of how horrible it is right now. Spoke with Fuelab this week and got some ideas how to isolate it and should make a big difference since my pump and sending unit is pretty much hard mounted to the tank.
Will have some new pics this weekend!  :cheers:

Offline zbrown

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #347 on: June 13, 2014, 06:07:34 PM »
Isolating will be a big deal

On a 4303 I have heard one hard mounted to the trunk on a stang and it was ridiculous how loud it was in cabin

He sat in mine and swore it had to be a different pump



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Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #348 on: June 13, 2014, 07:09:19 PM »
Isolating will be a big deal

On a 4303 I have heard one hard mounted to the trunk on a stang and it was ridiculous how loud it was in cabin

He sat in mine and swore it had to be a different pump

You need a vbox my friend!

Definitely need to get him a box haha!  Hit me up Akina.

I run the Fuelab 404 and 424 pumps (lift and pressure) with their supplied brackets/rubber sleeves and it's only slightly louder than an A1000.  Not too bad.  Can't hear it at all over the exhaust lol, and I've got a couple 'mufflers' in there.


Offline digitalsolo

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #349 on: June 13, 2014, 07:35:09 PM »
My 4303 is hung from an exhaust hangar.   You can hear it in car, but only a little.
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Offline AKINA FC

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #350 on: June 13, 2014, 08:19:50 PM »
Yeah this thing is ridiculous,  you can hear it well over the exhaust and my exhaust is definitely not quite. I think you guys are right and this should take care of it. I don't expect it to be quiet but I think it shouldn't reverb in the car like it does haha
Send me a pm Jeff and ill get one, I can always use a new toy!
PS Blake, the wipers work great and everything in the logicon works but I still don't have intermediate blower speed, I am suspecting a blower resistor but I could not find it on the blower housing or at least nothing matched the part I got from oriellys. Any help there is appreciated!

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Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #351 on: June 13, 2014, 09:50:05 PM »
I will have to look on the resistor;   it should be that, unless it's a wire elsewhere in the harness or an intermittent issue, which it shouldn't be.    Glad the wipers are a-ok!
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Offline AKINA FC

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #352 on: June 24, 2014, 01:04:42 PM »
Well some problems fixed and new ones arise.  I got the resonating of the pump taken care of, cant really hear it now on low speed and its not bad at all on high, so very happy there. New problem is the fuel is heating up and will cause pressure to drop badly, reading 137* or higher at the tank and the filter when this happens.
I did install a 12x12 cooler with a 10" fan on it and have got temps to about 120* going into the tank but that is still to hot. I have been going through the process of elimination to figure this out but still haven't gotten there yet. Checked amperage draw on the pump and its right on spec, 20 amps at 60 psi, wide open. Ran the pump wide open for 30 mins and fuel temps rise about 1 to 2* with out using the cooler in the test. Relocated the fuel lines and changed out the aluminum for nylon braided insulated them with reflective sleeving.
I am going to run the car without a hood to see what happens there next but hoping someone might have a idea as to why i am getting so much heat transfer to the fuel system.

Offline zbrown

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #353 on: June 24, 2014, 01:52:25 PM »
This is still on pump gas right?

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Offline AKINA FC

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #354 on: June 24, 2014, 02:42:44 PM »
This is still on pump gas right?

Yes sir it is. Im gonna switch to e85 here pretty soon but i would like to resolve this before hand if possible, I was just wanting to break in the motor and have the tune fairly close on gas before switching over.

Offline largeorangefont

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #355 on: June 24, 2014, 03:08:18 PM »
Any details on your Fortune suspension setup? How were they to work with, what info did they need.. ect?  I have been casually looking at their stuff for when I need a suspension refresh.
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Offline zbrown

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #356 on: June 24, 2014, 03:21:38 PM »
It is a fairly common problem on gas. Ethanol doesn't seem to be bothered by it
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Offline halfspec

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #357 on: June 24, 2014, 03:24:47 PM »
How are you measuring your fuel temps?
The only thing I can think of that may not be the primary issue, but could possibly be a secondary issue is that it looks like your return is dumping fuel right on your intake filter. Maybe angle it away from the fuel filter so the fuel has time to cool in the tank? I remember this was a secondary issue for me when I returned fuel directly to my sump. That and cavitation.

Lane

Offline AKINA FC

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #358 on: June 24, 2014, 04:25:04 PM »
Any details on your Fortune suspension setup? How were they to work with, what info did they need.. ect?  I have been casually looking at their stuff for when I need a suspension refresh.
Fortune has been great to deal with so far, I filled out there spec sheet online, explained to them what i am doing - ie all information on the car from corner weights to suspension/aero and we discussed options/recommendations. I am going with the 510 series valved for 16k/14k.
Really looking forward to it, should be a whole new car.

It is a fairly common problem on gas. Ethanol doesn't seem to be bothered by it
Thats what I was figuring as well, runs cooler and the boiling point is much higher than gas. This would probably take care of the cavitation/boiling in the pump but I would really like to find the heat issue if I can.

How are you measuring your fuel temps?
The only thing I can think of that may not be the primary issue, but could possibly be a secondary issue is that it looks like your return is dumping fuel right on your intake filter. Maybe angle it away from the fuel filter so the fuel has time to cool in the tank? I remember this was a secondary issue for me when I returned fuel directly to my sump. That and cavitation.

Lane

I am monitoring with a infrared temp gun and a temp gauge with sensor in the return line after the cooler, before the tank. I can watch the temp rise and the voltage control for the pump increase once it hits about 110-115 on the gauge, boiling point
Good eye on the return line. Ran into this before getting to drive it long enough to heat the fuel. That was a issue but i move the return line to the other end of the tank, basically extended the return line so its a good distance from the sock. What actually made me notice the problem was the pump speed changing erraticly due to the regulator trying to keep pressure inline with the airation the pump was picking up. Very sensitive speed control.


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Offline largeorangefont

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #359 on: June 24, 2014, 04:44:06 PM »

I was eying their 510 series as well. I was going to do custom valved Bilsteins but it seems like it will be a lot of time and testing to get things where I want them... and it will end up costing more. Were you able to get a caster and camber plate up front or is it camber only?

Once I figure out my spring rates with my current BC coilovers (which are not horrible), I will be ready to move forward.

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