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Offline zbrown

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #300 on: December 05, 2013, 05:26:03 PM »
The stock rockers are the ticket if you keep the lift low

Is the k1 a cheap china casting?  If it was me I would get the dragon slayer
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Offline AKINA FC

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #301 on: December 05, 2013, 05:54:08 PM »
Its billet, there are two different ones just like Callies. This crank is far stronger than the stock one, so no worries there.
I am leaning towards the stock rockers more and more, I can get them for $10 per rocker which is nice -  cam lift is 625 so a little on the high side but I think it should still be ok. I already have the comp short travels so were good there too. I was thinking of going with the stock hollow stem ls3 intakes and Manley ss exhaust which is fairly light and cost effective along with Brian Tooley's 660 spring kit.

Offline zbrown

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #302 on: December 05, 2013, 08:57:03 PM »
Holy baller for billet crank!! lol. Is it center counter weighted too even then?




I'd rethink the cam lift in my honest opinion though.  I'd keep it down at least in the 570-580 area.  Stock rockers keep good geometry till 550 then it goes away. Up over 600 they are going to be scrubbing like a mofo.  Tooley would tell you the same


Don't need it anyway. My lift is only 530/540 fwiw

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Offline AKINA FC

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #303 on: December 06, 2013, 11:53:07 AM »
I didnt have a option really, this was a deal a good friend made me because he got shafted on a previous engine build and was recouping as much of the loss as possible other wise I would not have bought this new. So got lucky- not so much baller status lol
The lift issue is why I have been debating between the two styles of rockers, the cam is what i had in the other motor and I felt It worked very well and wanted to use it in this one. So from the sounds of it I will go with the comp or crane roller setup, was thinking about the jesels but those are a little expensive and I have already met the end of my budget I alotted myself to build this engine.

Offline AKINA FC

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #304 on: May 02, 2014, 05:09:45 PM »
Well after a long string of problems in life and with parts I am finally moving in a forward direction again. :chug:
I ordered my LSA block in december new from Jegs and got it towards the end of the month, inspected the block and found the cylinder liner bores were way off, .060 thick on the front side of the liner and .125 on the rear. I went back and forth with Jegs and there gm supplier and finally gm directly after three blocks, all of which progressively got worse. According to gm this is acceptable.  Here is a direct copy and past of the email from GM - I am not Greg BTW - that is the GM of the dealership in which we were dealing with - 

 
Subject: LSA block case 158213

Greg , here is the information received on the LSA block 12623968

The following information applies to all LS3 LSA LS9 production and performance engine blocks and addresses the liner being off center.

0.048” is the minimum liner thickness when measured at the flange, (i.e. Deck surface) this is a production tolerance spec.
0.043” is the is the minimum liner thickness when measured at the liner body, (i.e. anywhere 1 inch lower than the deck surface) this is also a production tolerance spec.
 
Dealers should be urged to get actual sonic test data before warranting these blocks for this. Brand Quality will be starting auto return projects on these blocks so if warranted they will be called back for inspection, If at inspection they find the wall thickness to be with specs the dealer will be debited for the claim and have the opportunity to have the block shipped back to them at their cost.

These production specs are good for the production HP levels of the our engines, 420 - 640 hp.

If a builder is purchasing these blocks for an engine with an anticipated HP level above 640 hp or they are boosting the engine or are intending on opening the bore up over 4.065; PCC should strongly push the builder to consider an LSx block which can easily handle well over 640 hp, boosting or an over bore.








Thank You
Keith Macomber
GM PCC Consultant
An Associate of Morley Company
Email keith_macomber@gmexpert.com
PH # 866-453-4123
Fax866-842-9480

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So after all this JEGS refunded me my money - BTW Jegs customer service is terrific and I still highly recommend them, they do the best they can to help you - I went back and forth for quite a while as to what to do and decided in the end to go with the LSX block, which thankfully just arrived tuesday and is at the machine shop beginning to take shape. I know its heavier than the LSA and will require me to make adjustments on the car but in the end should prove to be a more reliable piece and be far more rebuildable if they need arrises.

So hopefully I will be assembling it in about a week.
On a couple other high points I scored a 2012 ZL1 TR6060 transmission from a friend that got a take out for his hotrod. I used a core 5.3 I have at the shop and installed it in the car, modified my trans mount and transmission crossmember, modified MGW shifter assembly which turned out awesome after shortening the linkage otherwise the shifter handle would have ended up in the switch area of the console. I also measured for my driveshaft and ordered it from the driveshaft shop. I will post some pics later of the modifacations needed to make this trans and shifter work in the FC if you guys want to see them.
I also redid my gauges in carbon fiber and sent my wiper switch with logicon off to Digitalsolo for a rebuild and will hopefully have that back soon as well.


So new engine is  - fast 92 throttle body, LS3 intake manifold, LSX block, 4.070 wiseco pistons, 6.125 k1 rods, 4.0 k1 crank, 1/2 head studs, ls9 heads, brian tooley titanium spring kit, stock rockers, rest of valve train is comp. I also changed cams and had Steve Morris spec me one. This is still a 417ci - 6.8L
I plan on changing to a set of six bolt heads later but I already have to much invested in these heads to take a big hit and not even use them :(
« Last Edit: May 02, 2014, 06:26:42 PM by AKINA FC »

Offline zbrown

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #305 on: May 02, 2014, 05:59:59 PM »
Lol awesome on the lsx


Not gonna break that, just portly even compared to the standard truck iron block


The core shift on the LSA is horrible


The lsx in times past had issues like that. How doe yours look?
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Offline AKINA FC

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #306 on: May 02, 2014, 06:16:13 PM »
The LSX block looks great and sonic test's spot on, this is the newest design/part number so at least I can get this thing back on the road again, good lord I miss my car  :'(. Yeah this weighs on my work scale 226lbs, after machine work it should be about 210 which is 100lbs heavier than the aluminum but at least i dont have to worry about killing it so easly. I built this as a toy, not a class racer.

Offline digitalsolo

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #307 on: May 02, 2014, 06:50:01 PM »
I don't know that I trust that Digitalsolo guy.  He's shady.

I'm surprised you didn't go with something like an ERL Superdeck;   I circle back to those now and then.    Regardless, the LSX is a great block;  apparently they have fixed the core shift that those had early on now as well, correct?

Glad to see you're turning up to "plaid" speed.
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Offline quinns

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #308 on: May 02, 2014, 08:23:29 PM »
I'm feeling the LSX as well. Looks like a heavy duty block.
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Offline AKINA FC

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #309 on: May 02, 2014, 09:42:47 PM »
I don't know that I trust that Digitalsolo guy.  He's shady.

I'm surprised you didn't go with something like an ERL Superdeck;   I circle back to those now and then.    Regardless, the LSX is a great block;  apparently they have fixed the core shift that those had early on now as well, correct?

Glad to see you're turning up to "plaid" speed.

Haha yeah I dont know about that guy, ill have to keep a close eye on him.
Yeah core shift is not a issue with this one so I think they fixed there problem with these blocks. I debated between erl and dart for quite a while and decided this would be the most cost effective approach with what I want to do with the car. That and I decided i am going to build a purpose built fc that is pretty much a clone body wise to this one but NA- thinking aluminum 5.3/4.8 with itb's-  and spec'd to be ST1 for nasa.
I really hope for "plaid" speed haha

Offline zbrown

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #310 on: May 02, 2014, 09:49:34 PM »
Makes me excited! I am glad u where picky enough to reject those LSA blocks.  This will be stout mofo
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Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #311 on: May 02, 2014, 10:09:15 PM »
Bummer on the LSA block!  I guess I got lucky with mine.  I can't believe their tolerance is so crazy!

LSX is a big bitch... you're going to need a bigger blower now to make proper use of it ;)

Offline AKINA FC

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #312 on: May 04, 2014, 07:43:53 PM »
Thanks Zach! I am very excited about this, hard not to think about it all the time haha and there was no way I was gonna accept one of those blocks.
Yeah Jeff you got lucky on getting a good one. I really wish I would have too but like you said.....I think a new blower may be in the future. We will see how much we can get out of this one first.

Well on another note I finally finished building my rear brakes, maybe it was a good thing I had delays or otherwise I might have kept pushing this to the side.
Ended up using a stock cobra svt rear rotor, which is 11.65 diameter and kept full pad contact.



« Last Edit: May 04, 2014, 08:53:39 PM by AKINA FC »

Offline largeorangefont

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #313 on: May 04, 2014, 07:49:14 PM »
On the rear brakes did you just make a bracket to relocate the caliper?

I have thought about using the Cobra rear rotors too as they don't have drum parking brakes. Any mods to the rotors needed?
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Offline AKINA FC

Re: Power plant 3.0
« Reply #314 on: May 04, 2014, 08:04:00 PM »
On the rear brakes did you just make a bracket to relocate the caliper?

I have thought about using the Cobra rear rotors too as they don't have drum parking brakes. Any mods to the rotors needed?

Wow you tree'd me there, I couldn't get the pics to post and had to switch to my pc.

 I had to make brackets and different hardware to relocate the caliper. No mods to the rotor. Only mod was tapping the ears of the knuckle for 1/2 bolts to mount the bracket.

Also forgot to post a pic my wife had taken at the track that I thought turned out nice.
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