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Offline spacevomit

Re: abs delete
« Reply #45 on: February 27, 2012, 03:48:43 PM »
Well, for example, if the line coming off of one side of the tee is longer than the other, the fluid will meet greater resistance on that side - at least that was my thought.

Offline ls3_rob

Re: abs delete
« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2012, 04:01:25 PM »
and as for the 5 fitting prop valve

my old non-abs 40/40 valve prelude had 6 fittings



the 5 fitting prop valve is the same concept but instead of 2 to the rear it has 1 (since the rx7 has 1). It has a valve that restricts how much to rear than front

where as the 6 fitting is evenly distributed hence the 40/40

i did a brake line tuck in my civic but it had 2 rear lines so this is a differnt concept
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Offline MPbdy

Re: abs delete
« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2012, 04:30:53 PM »
Well, for example, if the line coming off of one side of the tee is longer than the other, the fluid will meet greater resistance on that side - at least that was my thought.

The system works based on the fluid being incompressible. The displacements are small, and equal on both sides of the tee. The weight and frictional difference between the two columns of fluid are extremely small compared to the amount of force being transmitted through the fluid. There is likely a difference, but it is orders of magnitude smaller than the total and can be ignored.

Anyone else have an opinion (or even interested)?

Offline 65imp

Re: abs delete
« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2012, 05:42:31 PM »
I agree with Daniel,
Hydraulic fluid is not really going to "flow" so the size of the pipes is not like exhaust or intake tubes.  You want to transmit the pressure on the brake pedal to the pistons in each caliper. 
The proportioning valve is just a way to restrict flow.  *gasp* 
It does so because you want all the tires to lock up at the same time.  With weight transfer to the front tires you need more braking force on the front as compared to the rear.  So if you have equal lines with no prop valve the rear tires lock up under hard braking, causing an unstable condition.  Ideally you want all the tires to get to the verge of lock up simultaneously.  [insert abs convo here]

All of this is simplified because we are not taking into effect other variables that influence braking.  Most notably the tires and brake pads.

The factory setup is designed for the factory wheels and tires and pads.  The farther from stock these parts are the faster the old ABS system becomes inadequate.  Tire diameter differences front and rear cause the system to detect slip when there is none.  Also with width differences, tire compound, brake pad material, etc. etc. 
All this causes the factory abs to become less and less accurate in it's application.  This is the reason some of the hardcore guys have been looking into/playing with the modern 4 channel setups, and retrofitting them. 

If you are trying to eliminate the factory abs, then the easiest way is to get the metric m10x1.0 lines, and couplers.  If not you need to use adapters between the factory metric lines and most brake parts because they run the american thread size.  Sometimes it is hare to find aftermarket brake line t's in the metric thread locally.  Either a junkyard or parts department for japanese cars can give you a rear brake t that you can use up front if needed.  Tilton offers metric adapters that thread into their prop valve. 
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Offline spacevomit

Re: abs delete
« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2012, 07:05:21 PM »
So the resistance in a hydraulic circuit, is not determined by the length and cross-sectional area of the circuit? We're simply wondering whether it makes a difference if you have one line to the rear calipers, that tees off, or two lines all the way back to the prop valve.


Offline MPbdy

Re: abs delete
« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2012, 07:25:53 PM »
What is your primary concern?  A different pressure being distributed to the two calipers on either side of a tee fitting?

Offline spacevomit

Re: abs delete
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2012, 07:37:44 PM »
Correct. But even if that's true, it shouldn't be a problem, as long as you keep it in mind when designing any parallel circuits.

Offline MPbdy

Re: abs delete
« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2012, 07:51:34 PM »
Right.  I think you are focusing on something that will cause a very minute difference when your braking force is going to be excessively large in comparison.  The difference between the two lines may be a fractional pound of force while you are generating 100's of psi of pressure in the line.

If you put different sized lines in the car or have a kinked or clogged line then obviously you have a problem.

Offline spacevomit

Re: abs delete
« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2012, 08:09:44 PM »
Yeah, that makes sense.

Offline mr3plus1

Re: abs delete
« Reply #54 on: March 02, 2012, 10:56:53 AM »
Kinda late in this thread, but I figured I'd post a pic of how I did everything -



willwood prop valve bolted to the firewall on the far right that controls bias to the rear brakes.  Front lines go to that T fitting in the center.  The factory lines coming through both front fenders were cut short and re-flared so I'd have less bends and it'd look cleaner.  Everything else I bent myself.  The line at the fitting on the firewall running to the rear brakes is also stock.

Offline cool

Re: abs delete
« Reply #55 on: March 07, 2012, 10:31:24 AM »
Something to think about for those concerned about different lengths of line after a T:  Chances are, there are no two identical length brake lines on any car built by any manufacturer.  Most older cars have a single line running to the rear and splitting via a T at the rear end.  This T is usually on one side of the rear differential, meaning that one rear line will be longer than the other.

Once the system is full of fluid, all things are equal (relatively speaking).


Offline spacevomit

Re: abs delete
« Reply #56 on: March 07, 2012, 11:30:52 AM »
The pressure is probably so enormous compared to any resistance, even more so relative to any difference.

Offline widefd

Re: abs delete
« Reply #57 on: July 28, 2013, 05:56:19 PM »
Where are you guys getting that t fitting for the stock m10x1 pitch an 3/16 line? Can't find it anywhere

Offline mr3plus1

Re: abs delete
« Reply #58 on: August 01, 2013, 02:04:56 PM »
Find a car without 4 wheel abs and take a look at the t-fitting they use in the back of the car where it splits the brake lines between the rear calipers.  I cant remember, but I think I actually got mine from a mazda dealership - not for an rx7 though.  Just watch out - some cars (the FD in particular) dont have compact t-fittings.

Offline jaded-7

Re: abs delete
« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2014, 01:10:53 PM »
Bumping this thread with new info... searched forever for this tee fitting. Previously listed link was broken.

I ordered it from here:

http://www.technafitstore.com/FEAMLE-BRAKE-TEE-p/319-31b.htm