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Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1245 on: February 12, 2025, 01:42:30 AM »
Thank you blake for continuing to host my diary hahaha

5/12 mm spacers went on today.  Man it looks nice.  Had to go for the gas station lighting.




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Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1246 on: February 12, 2025, 06:02:05 AM »
I have the stoptech st-40 with a 330mm disc and stock in the back. Both with EBC blue NDC pads. I did a bunch of bias calculations and the setup is just right. Even going to an 99 spec rz setup would move it too much rear l.  I'm on a 285 square setup. The mk60 abs says when I slam on the brakes the intervention is well balanced.

I did one 60-140 in Texas when the car was still a t-56, stock intake, and slightly small cam and was not rolling through 60. I floored it at about 55mph so not ideal. Was a 6.7. I'd imagine now the car is properly into the high 5s. Bigger cam, DCT, MSD and some crazy ass intake I've yet to finish.....
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Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1247 on: February 12, 2025, 07:37:00 AM »
I am interested in that brake upgrade.  Would love to have a little better breaking and nicer looking callipers.   Who made the brackets?  or do you have a drawing/model of the brackets?   What rotors are you using? I'm assuming I can get a set of hats made.

I do have all of it yea, but I want to make sure that the kit works out performance wise before I send anyone else down this path.  I haven't cut brackets yet, still in plastic.  Girodisc is making me rotor hats, but you could have a shop do it for much less money.  The rotor rings themselves are $850 front and $750 rear - so I bet you can imagine a set with custom hats from them is no less than double that.  Overall this worked out to be way way more money than expected, but it became more of a passion project and sunk cost fallacy lol.  The calipers were about $1000 for the set of four, and they all seem to be in great shape.  Once the rotors arrive I'll do a final fit check and tweaks to the bracket dimensions and get them cut in metal, and then will need to sort out a custom brake line - but it is nearly there.

It also eliminates the e-brake. I'm hopeful there will be a way to add an auxiliary parking brake caliper, but still TBD. 

Thanks for the info.  I am interested to see how it turns out.  What size rotors are you going with?   I found a set of calipers for like $700.  I could get the brackets made with a drawing/model.  Or just a sketch.  I can make models/drawings if you need help.
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Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1248 on: February 12, 2025, 10:53:30 AM »
Yea the Davis TC systems are incredible!  I watch a lot of noprep racing on youtube and know a couple guys that do it.  It is on my bucket list of drag racing adventures I want to try with my dad.  It will require us getting another car though, and we just don't have space for it.  We kick around the idea of downsizing our bracket racing operation, and if that happens I could see getting a noprep grudge car just to have fun with.  To be competitive you really gotta be prepared to throw some money at it though.

This is their most basic TC-3, but can be upgraded to do self learning and also have cylinder cut.  As is, it will only retard timing.

In my studying, I read that turbo cars can be tricky to control with just timing alone because at some point retarding the timing just builds more heat, which makes more boost and it becomes an unwinnable situation.  I'm not sure if it'll be enough to allow me to launch in first, but I'm hopeful that it'll control things from basically like...autoX speeds and higher in 2nd gear lol.  I'll add a toggle switch to my digital dash for when you want to fry some tires.  I do wish I could control the TC settings within my digital dash, but it is only accessible via a laptop or their own remote display for tuning.

The TC-3 is only looking at driveshaft speed and comparing acceleration rate to an allowable limit.  The TC-3 is good enough to get you down a road, but the high end stuff is using the "perfect pass" method where you actually provide a driveshaft curve from transbrake release that the car should follow.  Not something that works outside of a standing start in a controlled environment, but it is a truly incredible system what they're able to do with these no-prep machines.

I've seen your work on the mustang shocks!! I'm super interested in your work.  Racingbrake website is a fantastic reference.

The calipers I'm using are 38/38 mm pistons front and 28/30 rear.  The porsche rotors stock are an inch smaller front and rear. Girodisc offers larger rotors and a caliper spacer for those guys.  350x34 and 325x24 are physically the largest rotors that will fit in the caliper body without hitting. It gets super close.

https://racingbrake.com/cayman-boxster-986-987-981-982-718/

Here are my bias calculations.  I wasn't supposed to share this spreadsheet back in the day from Stoptech  :P I am still using the OEM prop valve and I'm hopeful that it will work with this setup as well, but I may need to add-in an adjustable proportioning valve.



I’m not sure how useful the driveshaft curve-only TC will be for anything other than straight-line. For AutoX/canyon stuff, your traction vs driveshaft curve won’t be the same when cornering since the tires are doing two things at once. I think that’s where differential speed is better.
Not saying it *won’t* work, just not sure how well.

Thanks for sharing your brake bias calc. I have a massive spreadsheet of different OEM rotor dimensions and caliper piston areas, but hadn’t factored in the effective radius of a larger/smaller rotor with different calipers.
Out of curiosity, why do you have the OEM caliper listed as 2 piston, opposed? IIRC, FDs have a similar single piston sliding caliper like the FC? I’m stuck trying to find rear calipers with integrated E-brake, which limits you to basically sliding calipers or dedicated secondary parking calipers.
I think Blake is using electric parking calipers on his Mustang, which is a cool idea. My PDM has spare H-bridge outputs I could use for that in the future. The DCT doesn’t have a working Park gear, so I have to have an e-brake.
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Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1249 on: February 12, 2025, 01:49:35 PM »
I am interested in that brake upgrade.  Would love to have a little better breaking and nicer looking callipers.   Who made the brackets?  or do you have a drawing/model of the brackets?   What rotors are you using? I'm assuming I can get a set of hats made.

I do have all of it yea, but I want to make sure that the kit works out performance wise before I send anyone else down this path.  I haven't cut brackets yet, still in plastic.  Girodisc is making me rotor hats, but you could have a shop do it for much less money.  The rotor rings themselves are $850 front and $750 rear - so I bet you can imagine a set with custom hats from them is no less than double that.  Overall this worked out to be way way more money than expected, but it became more of a passion project and sunk cost fallacy lol.  The calipers were about $1000 for the set of four, and they all seem to be in great shape.  Once the rotors arrive I'll do a final fit check and tweaks to the bracket dimensions and get them cut in metal, and then will need to sort out a custom brake line - but it is nearly there.

It also eliminates the e-brake. I'm hopeful there will be a way to add an auxiliary parking brake caliper, but still TBD. 

Thanks for the info.  I am interested to see how it turns out.  What size rotors are you going with?   I found a set of calipers for like $700.  I could get the brackets made with a drawing/model.  Or just a sketch.  I can make models/drawings if you need help.

350x34 is what Girodisc offers.  The stock rotor on the Cayman is a 330x32.  The brake bias would be rekt if you only did a front upgrade.  It would put it way too far forward. Appreciate the offer to help!  I visited Joel over Christmastime in Hawaii and Ronin might have some interest if the performance turns out to be an improvement.  $700 is about what I paid too about 4 years ago.

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Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1250 on: February 12, 2025, 02:14:13 PM »
yeah i wouldnt want to do just the fronts.  I'm guessing the 718 cayman S has an electric parking break.   Adding a cable parking break could prove to be tricky.  I wonder if those Asian BBK companies like PB or CIKA would sell just the parking break.
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Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1251 on: February 12, 2025, 04:36:59 PM »
I have the stoptech st-40 with a 330mm disc and stock in the back. Both with EBC blue NDC pads. I did a bunch of bias calculations and the setup is just right. Even going to an 99 spec rz setup would move it too much rear l.  I'm on a 285 square setup. The mk60 abs says when I slam on the brakes the intervention is well balanced.

I did one 60-140 in Texas when the car was still a t-56, stock intake, and slightly small cam and was not rolling through 60. I floored it at about 55mph so not ideal. Was a 6.7. I'd imagine now the car is properly into the high 5s. Bigger cam, DCT, MSD and some crazy ass intake I've yet to finish.....

Stoptech does a fantastic job at maintaining balance with front only upgrades. It honestly is such a straight forward concept that I don’t understand why the other brands seemingly don’t even make an effort at it.

6.7 is quick already. The DCT probably cuts out a half second on its own compared to two shifts! Will be excited to try again if I can ever find a good space to do it safely.

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Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1252 on: February 12, 2025, 04:42:24 PM »

I’m not sure how useful the driveshaft curve-only TC will be for anything other than straight-line. For AutoX/canyon stuff, your traction vs driveshaft curve won’t be the same when cornering since the tires are doing two things at once. I think that’s where differential speed is better.
Not saying it *won’t* work, just not sure how well.

Thanks for sharing your brake bias calc. I have a massive spreadsheet of different OEM rotor dimensions and caliper piston areas, but hadn’t factored in the effective radius of a larger/smaller rotor with different calipers.
Out of curiosity, why do you have the OEM caliper listed as 2 piston, opposed? IIRC, FDs have a similar single piston sliding caliper like the FC? I’m stuck trying to find rear calipers with integrated E-brake, which limits you to basically sliding calipers or dedicated secondary parking calipers.
I think Blake is using electric parking calipers on his Mustang, which is a cool idea. My PDM has spare H-bridge outputs I could use for that in the future. The DCT doesn’t have a working Park gear, so I have to have an e-brake.

Yea curious to see how the TCS works out. They claim it does great on the street and road course. They sell them into dirt and asphalt oval cars too.

The FD is a 4 piston front opposed caliper and a sliding caliper single piston rear.

The pad height impacts your brake torque quite a bit too since a taller pad effectively reduces your moment arm.

Wilwood is selling electric parking brakes now. I'd probably try to adapt the factory cable to a traditional style parking brake.

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Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1253 on: February 12, 2025, 04:43:23 PM »
yeah i wouldnt want to do just the fronts.  I'm guessing the 718 cayman S has an electric parking break.   Adding a cable parking break could prove to be tricky.  I wonder if those Asian BBK companies like PB or CIKA would sell just the parking break.

The Porsche is a shoe in hat style. No room for that on the FD sadly.

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Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1254 on: February 13, 2025, 06:29:45 AM »
Most of the calcs I've found only use one side of the caliper so you don't have to mess with a mismatch when the car doesn't have dual sided calipers all the way around.

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Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1255 on: February 13, 2025, 02:42:52 PM »
Most of the calcs I've found only use one side of the caliper so you don't have to mess with a mismatch when the car doesn't have dual sided calipers all the way around.

That’s the correct way to do it when comparing sliding to opposing piston calipers yes.

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Re: 403 LS2 FD - LS7 Build for 2020!
« Reply #1256 on: March 07, 2025, 02:06:05 AM »
I threw the TCS on and enabled it in the Holley and it does not yet seem to be working haha.  I wrapped up the wiring late in the day and only had a couple minutes to try and get it working in software. Haven't had a chance or the mental fortitude to dig into it yet in case this turns into a huge waste of time haha.

My mobile guy did a quick detail on the car, and it has since rained, but it was very pretty  :yay:

I am in loveeeee with my new Nardi wheel. Went for the special black anodize w/ black stitch.  The smaller diameter is actually pretty noticeable in the steering effort.  The biggest benefit to me is I can run my seat one click back now and it is way more comfortable on the pedals. The Tillet seat lays back quite far which puts your legs quite a bit ahead of your arms lol. The factory wheel was also hitting my holley dash and it actually made some permanent scuff marks on the housing and put a mark on the screen itself. Didn't notice that until it was too late.

And my Girodisc rotors shipped today! Been in a holding pattern while they were getting made the last month or so.  When the rotors arrive I'll test fit them again with a fresh set of printed brackets from my buddy.  I'm hopeful these are the final versions, and I've made them compatible with the stock Porsche caliper bolts - very simple hardware solutions.

Included a couple pictures of what these things are going to look like. I'm getting giddy. I can't believe those will be behind my wheels.