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Title: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread ...now for sale
Post by: Ffjosh on August 12, 2015, 06:44:52 PM

Car is currently for sale.

Found out I'm having my 2nd kid  :) :D :gruffy:  !!!

Upgrading to a STI and don't need this project.

Sucks because I like the rx7 but need a bigger fun toy/DD.

Asking $3000 obo for all of it. Will separate.

Mods feel free to lock or delete thread.

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 12, 2015, 07:15:40 PM

The bronco my 351 is coming out of.
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm240/firefighterjosh3/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150807_155647229_HDR_zps9fuhnybs.jpg) (http://s297.photobucket.com/user/firefighterjosh3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150807_155647229_HDR_zps9fuhnybs.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 13, 2015, 07:49:14 PM

Window motor and switch sold +$20

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Hades on August 15, 2015, 05:55:35 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6f7vNVa3sk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6f7vNVa3sk)

This-  FC

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 15, 2015, 09:03:14 AM

Quote from: Hades on August 15, 2015, 05:55:35 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6f7vNVa3sk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6f7vNVa3sk)

This-  FC

I saw that.

I've only found 1 real good 351 build thread. So kind of going off mustang and what granny can tell me

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: LSXREX on August 15, 2015, 03:54:54 PM

Where are you located?

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 15, 2015, 07:24:38 PM

Near fort Wayne indiana

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: BlackFC-TII on August 17, 2015, 08:17:48 PM

Do you know if you have factory roller lifters in your motor, or flat tappet lifters? My motor was from a 96 and had factory roller lifters, but I've read mixed things abut which year came with what lifter/cams. I know that everything 94+ is roller compatible, but some got flat tappet lifters, while others got roller lifters.

Reason for asking is if you are building on a budget and you have factory roller lifters you can get a ford E303 cam for pretty cheap (around $200 new) that will wake the motor up allot more than the factory truck cam. if I remember correctly it should play nice with the stock heads/valve springs/push-rods, but shift the power up to a more usable area for a car.

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 18, 2015, 04:21:49 AM

Ya I have no idea until I tear it down.

I sure hope I do!!!   :gruffy:

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: LSXREX on August 18, 2015, 07:12:52 PM

Do an RX8. Theres a guy who did a horrifyingly crappy job on his swap. Its on youtube. You will have the longest WTF moment but its spmewhere to start. Lol

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 18, 2015, 07:33:42 PM

I would love to do a 8 but the cheapest pile I found was $1500. It was a huge pile.

Was it black?

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: LSXREX on August 18, 2015, 07:51:32 PM

Heres the link. https://youtu.be/Qvndhjn8mzg

Rx8s can be had cheap. They have the worst resale of any car in history. I just bought an 05 with 103k and manual trans for $900. Got it all rebuilt and running with mild mods and Rotas for $2200 all in. They can be had cheap. Just gotta look around. I have a clean all stock 93 240SX hatch i was gonna swap. Its my daily driver at the moment. But im in Dallas. Long trip for ya.

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 18, 2015, 08:55:14 PM

I found a decent one that just popped up for a grand. Then I saw the swap kit price  :banghead:

No thanks ill stick with my old beater lol

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 18, 2015, 08:56:50 PM

Was that little square rust tube thing his exhaust? I thought it sounded good.

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 19, 2015, 06:43:06 AM

Fwiw I ask my friend who works at rousch what year broncos or vins came with 351 rollers internally.  He said his paper work says 94+ 351 broncos are roller capable but nothing says which ones actually have roller internally :(. Guess I'll pull it apart.

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Speedfab on August 19, 2015, 12:43:44 PM

Every Windsor ever made is "roller compatible."  Some you just have to retrofit the lifter spider.

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: LSXREX on August 19, 2015, 01:39:53 PM

Guy later swapped an LS1. You can guess the quality of the execution. He has like 5 videos on the swap.
https://youtu.be/momQAINnW9Y

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 19, 2015, 04:08:55 PM

Quote from: LSXREX on August 19, 2015, 01:39:53 PM

Guy later swapped an LS1. You can guess the quality of the execution. He has like 5 videos on the swap.
https://youtu.be/momQAINnW9Y

I'll check it out

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: LSXREX on August 19, 2015, 06:39:19 PM

Make sure u got a buzz bc youre gonna need a beer to process the stupidity

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 19, 2015, 09:50:08 PM

Quote from: LSXREX on August 19, 2015, 06:39:19 PM

Make sure u got a buzz bc youre gonna need a beer to process the stupidity

Holy red wires and ghetto exhaust batman.

Hate to troubleshoot that car

Does he have a build thread?

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 19, 2015, 09:51:34 PM

Bought a sturdy home made engine stand today

$20

Scored a free (traded a free item) lincoln 135 welder

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: digitalsolo on August 20, 2015, 01:47:03 AM

Curious to see what you put together.  I'm in Fort Wayne as well, I'd like to see it when it's done.

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Speedfab on August 20, 2015, 10:38:42 AM

Fort Wayne is a hotbed of motor swap shenanigans.

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: LSXREX on August 20, 2015, 10:43:30 AM

All those young guys back from the suck with months of ideas ready to make history.

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 20, 2015, 11:54:51 AM

Quote from: digitalsolo on August 20, 2015, 01:47:03 AM

Curious to see what you put together.  I'm in Fort Wayne as well, I'd like to see it when it's done.

Sounds good. It won't be pretty (outside) but should be done well.

Yours is black right?......I've heard of you  :drive:

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: digitalsolo on August 20, 2015, 10:29:35 PM

Hah, yeah it was.  It's gone now.    Building a 2JZ 65 Mustang currently.

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 21, 2015, 07:22:36 PM

Traded for this gem  :barf: today.

Pretty solid other then some bad surface (thank goodness) in the engine compartment and some lot rot on the driver side floor board. (Easily fixable)

Anyone tell me what engine was in it? Title says model c331

Anyone want a trans? Was told it worked in 03 when it was parked.

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm240/firefighterjosh3/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150821_175423865_HDR_zpss4zn2fck.jpg) (http://s297.photobucket.com/user/firefighterjosh3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150821_175423865_HDR_zpss4zn2fck.jpg.html)

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm240/firefighterjosh3/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150821_175352118_zpsin1n08ur.jpg) (http://s297.photobucket.com/user/firefighterjosh3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150821_175352118_zpsin1n08ur.jpg.html)

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm240/firefighterjosh3/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150821_175450269_HDR_zpsg7bdfd7r.jpg) (http://s297.photobucket.com/user/firefighterjosh3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150821_175450269_HDR_zpsg7bdfd7r.jpg.html)

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm240/firefighterjosh3/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150821_175436303_HDR_zpss0tdkl4k.jpg) (http://s297.photobucket.com/user/firefighterjosh3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150821_175436303_HDR_zpss0tdkl4k.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 21, 2015, 07:33:54 PM

Do you guys think I should leave the bronco price in my thread?

I bought it a long time ago as a beater....not for this project.

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: DDv8 on August 21, 2015, 10:18:48 PM

86 or 87 fc
13b na
speed sensing power steering
AC
not a gxl, turbo or sport
possibly   Base  but probably a Luxury

[attach=1]


DD

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 21, 2015, 10:24:26 PM

Quote from: DDv8 on August 21, 2015, 10:18:48 PM

86 or 87 fc
13b na
speed sensing power steering
AC
not a gxl, turbo or sport
possibly   Base  but probably a Luxury

[attach=1]


DD

87

Yes power steering and ac

I seen that document as well and thought luxury

It dosent have a sun roof unless that's what the metal plug is considered

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: DDv8 on August 22, 2015, 11:55:52 AM

No plug on a non sun roof car, just one smooth skin.  Some one did a delete.

DD

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 22, 2015, 01:34:15 PM

Quote from: DDv8 on August 22, 2015, 11:55:52 AM

No plug on a non sun roof car, just one smooth skin.  Some one did a delete.

DD

The guy I got it off of said his friend had 3-4 more he played with.

I have not sat in the car yet but did look inside some and seen some buttons on the top and a digital something on the front middle dash

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: DDv8 on August 22, 2015, 07:17:16 PM

buttons by the mirror are for the sun roof. If its still in, while pushing open switch arrow toward rear, its usual to need to help push up the rear edge to get the roof up. 

centre upper dash are the stock warning lights and clock.

DD

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 23, 2015, 09:36:07 AM

Quote from: DDv8 on August 22, 2015, 07:17:16 PM

buttons by the mirror are for the sun roof. If its still in, while pushing open switch arrow toward rear, its usual to need to help push up the rear edge to get the roof up. 

centre upper dash are the stock warning lights and clock.

DD

Nice thank you

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: digitalsolo on August 23, 2015, 01:43:02 PM

Yeah, 86 or 87 base with the "Luxury" option, same as my first FC.   Good start, one of the lighter chassis.

Title: Re: 351 into a ? Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 23, 2015, 07:55:12 PM

Quote from: digitalsolo on August 23, 2015, 01:43:02 PM

Yeah, 86 or 87 base with the "Luxury" option, same as my first FC.   Good start, one of the lighter chassis.

It's a 87 and yup it's a luxury.

Had a chance to look it over better today.  Rust is not nearly as bad as I thought. Makes me pretty happy.

I'm planning on running a.c. in the future but for this build it is not happening.  I'm also looking at ways to move my alternator.  It would be nice to only cut a hole for the air filter.

I also looked the 351 over. Wow that thing leaks the fluids lol. I guess driving it like a car and off-road use really dried things out.

Easy fixes once on the engine stand.

Good thing is I just put $1200 worth of parts on craigslist. 

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 27, 2015, 07:40:58 AM

Sold a band saw and gas tank out of the bronco

$+230

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Skervey on August 27, 2015, 03:19:00 PM

Looks like a fun swap. There is no replacement for displacement! Wish I could fit a 351 into my car and keep the stock hood! that would take some skill!

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 27, 2015, 06:41:55 PM

Quote from: Skervey on August 27, 2015, 03:19:00 PM

Looks like a fun swap. There is no replacement for displacement! Wish I could fit a 351 into my car and keep the stock hood! that would take some skill!

Ya I wanted the stock good to shut but oh well. I hope to arrange the alternator different so all I have is a hole for the carb filter


Scored a free e fan today.

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: KCDAN on August 28, 2015, 10:54:59 AM

Quote from: Ffjosh on August 27, 2015, 06:41:55 PM

Quote from: Skervey on August 27, 2015, 03:19:00 PM

Looks like a fun swap. There is no replacement for displacement! Wish I could fit a 351 into my car and keep the stock hood! that would take some skill!

Ya I wanted the stock good to shut but oh well. I hope to arrange the alternator different so all I have is a hole for the carb filter


Scored a free e fan today.

to mount the alternator low, look for a mid 70's alternator bracket from the junkyard..

(http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/attachments/mustang-ii-tech/106174d1280618419-mustang-ii-alternator-bracket-where-does-go-ebaybrackets.jpg)

it will put the alternator low like this

(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/noboss302/untitled4.jpg)

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on August 28, 2015, 04:45:57 PM

Thank you. That would be perfect. I'll search rockauto they might have them too

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on September 03, 2015, 02:27:19 PM

I'm going to go look at a 84 351 which has Holley carb, elderock intake ect ect. Plan was to use the carb components on my 95 roller engine. 

Or do I put no money into this engine and beat the piss out of it and build my roller on the side?

I'm afraid it will be a slow crappy sounding pos and I'll just rip it back out lol

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on September 05, 2015, 05:26:01 PM

I bought the 84 carbed 351. It's a lot nicer then mine lol

Not sure if its truly a 84 but ill try to find out.

Came with
Rear sump oil pan
Holley 600cfm cam
Elderbrock intake
Dizzy and other electrical stuff.
Alternator is also already mounted low.

I just need to figure out how to run my water pump and I'm just going to use this engine and build my roller.

Pics to come

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on September 05, 2015, 05:37:23 PM

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm240/firefighterjosh3/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150905_165711013_HDR_zpsnfaqznhh.jpg) (http://s297.photobucket.com/user/firefighterjosh3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150905_165711013_HDR_zpsnfaqznhh.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on September 13, 2015, 11:08:18 AM

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm240/firefighterjosh3/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150911_154247708_HDR_zpserfzxlro.jpg) (http://s297.photobucket.com/user/firefighterjosh3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150911_154247708_HDR_zpserfzxlro.jpg.html)

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm240/firefighterjosh3/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150912_105406474_zpsy50dbvmr.jpg) (http://s297.photobucket.com/user/firefighterjosh3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150912_105406474_zpsy50dbvmr.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on September 17, 2015, 10:34:12 PM

Reverse rotation water pump = we have issues with using a 6 rib pulley.(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm240/firefighterjosh3/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150914_181714544_HDR_zpsciicwwwb.jpg) (http://s297.photobucket.com/user/firefighterjosh3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150914_181714544_HDR_zpsciicwwwb.jpg.html)

Fix(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm240/firefighterjosh3/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150917_164749913_zpsxkder2fm.jpg) (http://s297.photobucket.com/user/firefighterjosh3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150917_164749913_zpsxkder2fm.jpg.html)

T5 getting together
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm240/firefighterjosh3/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150917_163537562_zpspvirr0hp.jpg) (http://s297.photobucket.com/user/firefighterjosh3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150917_163537562_zpspvirr0hp.jpg.html)

Mechanical fuel pump
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm240/firefighterjosh3/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150915_191306322_zpsnddxxag1.jpg) (http://s297.photobucket.com/user/firefighterjosh3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150915_191306322_zpsnddxxag1.jpg.html)


Also installed the headers valve covers etc.

Also the guy before me painted it red...now it's faded to chevy orange  :punch:

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Skervey on September 30, 2015, 03:50:15 PM

Progress looks good! Can I ask why you are running a mechanical fuel pump and not using the in tank pump? With a electric fuel pump you can have it cut on before you go to start the car so if its been sitting for a while you don't have to run the starter for a while till the float bowls fill up. Just my thoughts on it!

Keep us posted with progress!

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on September 30, 2015, 08:25:31 PM

I'm going with a fuel cell not using the stock tank.

It keeps it simple is the main reason why.

No issue with cranking it for a min imo. Honesty I've never known it to take that long after a car has been sitting.

Progress is stalled at the moment. It's getting cold out so fire wood and getting the shop cleaned up is priority

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Orracle on October 02, 2015, 09:07:12 PM

Nice build man, I got 87 base with a 5.0 and a t5 with a carb. Let me know if you got any questions, I've had it running for about a year and a half now  :cheers:

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: digitalsolo on October 03, 2015, 08:41:18 AM

Good progress!

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on October 03, 2015, 10:10:35 AM

Thanks guys it's getting there.

Will do orracle

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Skervey on October 07, 2015, 09:16:26 AM

Orracle- do you have any issues with heat under the hood? I have aftermarket headers, edelbrock performer intake and edelbrock carb and im boiling the gas...

Don't mean to hijack your thread but there is just so much heat under there!

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Orracle on October 07, 2015, 01:32:14 PM

I don't have any issues with heat.  I put too big of an aluminum radiator in it so it takes awhile to even get warm.  Also I have a big hole in the hood to clear the air cleaner so that helps to.

I'll see if I can get some pics later today.

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Ffjosh on October 07, 2015, 04:21:42 PM

No problem on the thread jack. I like the Info as well

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread
Post by: Skervey on October 07, 2015, 04:22:46 PM

Thanks I have a large after market rad to and the motor heat is not the isue it the fuel getting hot in the carb causing vapor lock. A hole in the hood would probably fix my issues but then everyone will know its a v8 car so its not a option.  :secret:

Title: Re: 351 into a 87 Rx7 luxury Build thread ...now for sale
Post by: Ffjosh on December 07, 2015, 08:47:27 PM

Car is for sale.

Expecting my 2nd kid and am looking at sti's.

$3k obo for all of it.

Will make a legit for sale thread later.